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Xbox has a monpoly on their game store. Sony has a monpoloy on their game store. Come on - is this argument going to be used for all these too? Walmart has a m

Xbox has a monpoly on their game store. Sony has a monpoloy on their game store. Come on - is this argument going to be used for all these too? Walmart has a monopoly on what sells in Walmart.

rymate1234 6y ago
Unironically there should be alternatives for those platforms, and the Switch
- ifmpx 6y ago
  I'd include walmart too if walmart is the only store I'm ever allowed to shop at.
  - sjwright 6y ago
    Apple doesn’t force you to own an iPhone.
    - thewhitetulip 6y ago
      In a world where walmart is the only store & it bans all other retail stores from existing, Walmart will become monopoly. This is false equivalence
      - danity 6y ago
        What do you call the Play Store? What do you call Android? Talk about false equivalence, you’ve just demonstrated that.
        willtim 6y ago
        The Play Store has very little for tablets. The Android tablet market is effectively dead.
        thewhitetulip 6y ago
        1.I have installed LineageOS which has 0 apps from Gogle 2. I have installed android apps from F_-droid/Samsung app store or even Vivo app store 3. I have directly installed apks which didn't appear on play store directly from the internet Where is my false equivalence? Pray tell me? Google makes it impossible for apps to run without play store but I've used 0 google apps on android for 1yr and lived easily with 0 issues Remove apple's app store, I dare you and then tell me you can live for one year. Apple has monopoly on app store. Walmart can't be compared. Google has technically enforced monopoly and which I oppose. I never said google play store isn't a monopoly. Are you sure you know what false equivalence means?
        donor20 6y ago
        Dude, you don't need to buy an iphone, you don't need to by an xbox, you don't need to buy a playstation - if you do though you will be using their stores / they will be getting a cut.
        thewhitetulip 6y ago
        But when I buy Android I can side load app If I buy Apple phone I can't sideload app. At all. How ia this not a monopoly. Also why you bring xbox into picture. It's a gaming console not a general purpose device ppl use 4+hrs in a day. They can have their cut buthe issue that you're ignoring is that they don't allow side loading and that they can randomly kill any app they want. Like they have done in the past and small developers don't have the money Epic does
    - dtech 6y ago
      It does force you to use their app store for 2-7 years once you bought one until you replace it.
      - 0-O-0 6y ago
        It doesn't. You're free to replace it and switch to android (or better - linux) at any moment.
gsich 6y ago
There is still a retail market on consoles. So not entirely monopolistic. Also iirc you can use your own payment method on those consoles.
lostmsu 6y ago
AFAIK, you can install 3rd party apps to Xbox without paying MS. If that is not true, it should be fixed.
dtech 6y ago
Once you decide to shop at wall-mart you can easily switch to other markets or buy items from other stores. not comparable at all. If there were basically only Wall-Mart and Target to buy stuff from, and you had to commit to one for 2-5 years every time, you bet they should be under heavy scrutiny. Sony and Microsoft are a better comparison, but different because 1) their consoles are huge loss leaders, phones are not and 2) they are way less essential and used by an order of magnitude less people than phones.
- donor20 6y ago
  But the irony is that loss leaders are a sign of market abuse / market power. That's the normal anti-trust claim - predatory pricing. If anything, Apple is charging a premium price for their experience. Apple has become essential and trusted in part perhaps because it has exercised near iron control over almost all aspects of their platform.
anon98356 6y ago
Depends on what you define as their game store. I can purchase a game that is playable on the xbox from anywhere that sells a copy. One of these places is the digital store that comes with the xbox. But I can also go to cd-keys, or amazon and buy a copy there that will still work on an xbox.
- ralfd 6y ago
  Wait, what? It doesn't matter where you buy an XBox game, Microsoft is getting their cut as platform holder no matter if digital or retail.
  - anon98356 6y ago
    That's a licensing fee and separate to the discussion about market control. As it stands (although this is starting to change) a developer can sell the game through a variety of different avenues (online, brick and mortar, the xbox store), these avenues may have different prices associated and drive where the consumer makes their purchase. That is the relevant comparison here, if Epic want to provide Fortnite on iOS they HAVE to use the app store and associated requirements. If they want to provide it on XBox, they pay a licensing cost for the proprietary tech they leverage from Microsoft. But they can choose to sell the game on Amazon if they want.
    - nodamage 6y ago
      Even if they sell the game on Amazon, they still pay Microsoft a royalty for each game sold. Whether you want to call it a "licensing fee" or a "Microsoft tax" seems like a matter of semantics. Also keep in mind that their publisher agreement with Microsoft gives Microsoft approval rights over the game itself, marketing materials, and even packaging. And if they sell virtual goods in the Xbox version of the game they have to go through the Xbox store and pay Microsoft 30% of that. The amount of control console manufacturers exert over the games allowed on their platform is not dissimilar to the Apple and its App Store.
- lawtalkinghuman 6y ago

Xbox has a monpoly on their game store. Sony has a monpoloy on their game store. Come on - is this argument going to be used for all these too? Walmart has a monopoly on what sells in Walmart.

rymate1234 6y ago

Unironically there should be alternatives for those platforms, and the Switch

ifmpx 6y ago
I'd include walmart too if walmart is the only store I'm ever allowed to shop at.
- sjwright 6y ago
  Apple doesn’t force you to own an iPhone.
  - thewhitetulip 6y ago
    In a world where walmart is the only store & it bans all other retail stores from existing, Walmart will become monopoly. This is false equivalence
    - danity 6y ago
      What do you call the Play Store? What do you call Android? Talk about false equivalence, you’ve just demonstrated that.
      - willtim 6y ago
        The Play Store has very little for tablets. The Android tablet market is effectively dead.
      - thewhitetulip 6y ago
        1.I have installed LineageOS which has 0 apps from Gogle 2. I have installed android apps from F_-droid/Samsung app store or even Vivo app store 3. I have directly installed apks which didn't appear on play store directly from the internet Where is my false equivalence? Pray tell me? Google makes it impossible for apps to run without play store but I've used 0 google apps on android for 1yr and lived easily with 0 issues Remove apple's app store, I dare you and then tell me you can live for one year. Apple has monopoly on app store. Walmart can't be compared. Google has technically enforced monopoly and which I oppose. I never said google play store isn't a monopoly. Are you sure you know what false equivalence means?
        donor20 6y ago
        Dude, you don't need to buy an iphone, you don't need to by an xbox, you don't need to buy a playstation - if you do though you will be using their stores / they will be getting a cut.
        thewhitetulip 6y ago
        But when I buy Android I can side load app If I buy Apple phone I can't sideload app. At all. How ia this not a monopoly. Also why you bring xbox into picture. It's a gaming console not a general purpose device ppl use 4+hrs in a day. They can have their cut buthe issue that you're ignoring is that they don't allow side loading and that they can randomly kill any app they want. Like they have done in the past and small developers don't have the money Epic does
  - dtech 6y ago
    It does force you to use their app store for 2-7 years once you bought one until you replace it.
    - 0-O-0 6y ago
      It doesn't. You're free to replace it and switch to android (or better - linux) at any moment.

gsich 6y ago

There is still a retail market on consoles. So not entirely monopolistic. Also iirc you can use your own payment method on those consoles.

lostmsu 6y ago

AFAIK, you can install 3rd party apps to Xbox without paying MS. If that is not true, it should be fixed.

dtech 6y ago

Once you decide to shop at wall-mart you can easily switch to other markets or buy items from other stores. not comparable at all. If there were basically only Wall-Mart and Target to buy stuff from, and you had to commit to one for 2-5 years every time, you bet they should be under heavy scrutiny. Sony and Microsoft are a better comparison, but different because 1) their consoles are huge loss leaders, phones are not and 2) they are way less essential and used by an order of magnitude less people than phones.

donor20 6y ago
But the irony is that loss leaders are a sign of market abuse / market power. That's the normal anti-trust claim - predatory pricing. If anything, Apple is charging a premium price for their experience. Apple has become essential and trusted in part perhaps because it has exercised near iron control over almost all aspects of their platform.

anon98356 6y ago

Depends on what you define as their game store. I can purchase a game that is playable on the xbox from anywhere that sells a copy. One of these places is the digital store that comes with the xbox. But I can also go to cd-keys, or amazon and buy a copy there that will still work on an xbox.

ralfd 6y ago
Wait, what? It doesn't matter where you buy an XBox game, Microsoft is getting their cut as platform holder no matter if digital or retail.
- anon98356 6y ago
  That's a licensing fee and separate to the discussion about market control. As it stands (although this is starting to change) a developer can sell the game through a variety of different avenues (online, brick and mortar, the xbox store), these avenues may have different prices associated and drive where the consumer makes their purchase. That is the relevant comparison here, if Epic want to provide Fortnite on iOS they HAVE to use the app store and associated requirements. If they want to provide it on XBox, they pay a licensing cost for the proprietary tech they leverage from Microsoft. But they can choose to sell the game on Amazon if they want.
  - nodamage 6y ago
    Even if they sell the game on Amazon, they still pay Microsoft a royalty for each game sold. Whether you want to call it a "licensing fee" or a "Microsoft tax" seems like a matter of semantics. Also keep in mind that their publisher agreement with Microsoft gives Microsoft approval rights over the game itself, marketing materials, and even packaging. And if they sell virtual goods in the Xbox version of the game they have to go through the Xbox store and pay Microsoft 30% of that. The amount of control console manufacturers exert over the games allowed on their platform is not dissimilar to the Apple and its App Store.
lawtalkinghuman 6y ago