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Not a great source. Science is based on evidence, not lack of evidence. A rebuttal to that article appears in the same publication, and adroitly takes apart it

by nrki 6y ago

Not a great source. Science is based on evidence, not lack of evidence. A rebuttal to that article appears in the same publication, and adroitly takes apart it's claims: https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/observations/dont-fall-prey-to-scaremongering-about-5g/ https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/observations/dont-fall-...

davisr 6y ago
Thanks, I didn't know about this article. I'm not heavily one way or the other, but I think it's important to put all the information out there.
- noodlesUK 6y ago
  This particular feeling, of having a compulsion to share scary information without a strong knowledge base, and then retreating to this sort of position “I think it’s important to put all the information out there” is well described, specifically on this topic, by a recent post by Troy hunt. https://www.troyhunt.com/lets-stop-the-5g-hysteria-understanding-hoaxes-and-disinformation-campaigns/ https://www.troyhunt.com/lets-stop-the-5g-hysteria-understan...
  - davisr 6y ago
    Well, from me it wasn't a strong compulsion. However, for many reasons (especially about privacy) we ought not to implement 5G. And this wasn't an article about some conspiracy--it was from an expert who is advising we tread cautiously about what we do not know, and that is very good advice. I don't think anyone can confirm or deny that 5G carries health risks. But, we do have evidence there are health risks with other cellular communication technologies, and we ought to use that as a basis for decision making.
    - forgotmysn 6y ago
      1. it was strong enough for you to post 2. please try to explain the security issues that 5G presents that aren't present in 4G, 3G, etc. 3. a lack of information is not an excuse to promote doubt and misinformation. part of the reason we haven't been able to measure the long-term effects of cellular radiation is that it takes time to run those studies. please stop promoting lies and undermining trust in the systems that help manage our society
      - davisr 6y ago
        Hi, in response to #2, 5G allows for very fine resolution in location tracking. There are also concerns about the manufacturers of that equipment. I'll direct you to this link for more: https://www.brookings.edu/research/why-5g-requires-new-approaches-to-cybersecurity/ https://www.brookings.edu/research/why-5g-requires-new-appro... In response to #3, I have not posted any lies, and anything that disagrees with your narrative is not automatically FUD. There are serious doubts of 5G on many fronts by many experts, and these doubts should be discussed. However, as I've noticed here, there is a tendency by the group to form an echo chamber. Anything that's not in-group is not allowed, as we see here, where an expert has a serious concern about untested technologies. I wish we were able to have an honest conversation about this. > It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. Let's reverse roles: can you explain some concerns you might have about 5G? How about at the very basic of levels: why do we need poly-gigabit speeds for cell phones, and how could implementing it negatively impact people?
        krageon 6y ago
        > why do we need Why not? When we moved from 3G to 4G I felt like it was kind of useless, but now that I have it I definitely enjoy all the things that become possible with it (lower latency everything, mostly). It was the same way moving from ISDN to cable. It's never bad to have better stuff - you'll find a use for it even if you don't have one now. > can you explain some concerns you might have about 5G Frankly the only real and reasonable concern to have is that there are very few engineers that roll out 5G networks that aren't Chinese. I'm not opposed to China, but I am opposed to a country's entire infrastructure being built and maintained by another country (that may want to use that to exert political pressure some day). > there is a tendency by the group to form an echo chamber In this case I really don't think it's that, it's mostly that you posted information that's just wrong and then you retreated to a (frankly lazy) defense as to why you're spreading misinformation. It makes you come off as the kind of person that's really unpleasant to talk to, because the lies tend to be so sticky and pervasive. It's exhausting to have to revisit every component of what you know just because someone else couldn't be bothered to figure it out for themselves.
- forgotmysn 6y ago
  if you're not heavy one way or the other, than you probably shouldnt shill the the fake propaganda of one of them

by nrki 6y ago

davisr 6y ago

Thanks, I didn't know about this article. I'm not heavily one way or the other, but I think it's important to put all the information out there.

noodlesUK 6y ago
This particular feeling, of having a compulsion to share scary information without a strong knowledge base, and then retreating to this sort of position “I think it’s important to put all the information out there” is well described, specifically on this topic, by a recent post by Troy hunt. https://www.troyhunt.com/lets-stop-the-5g-hysteria-understanding-hoaxes-and-disinformation-campaigns/ https://www.troyhunt.com/lets-stop-the-5g-hysteria-understan...
- davisr 6y ago
  Well, from me it wasn't a strong compulsion. However, for many reasons (especially about privacy) we ought not to implement 5G. And this wasn't an article about some conspiracy--it was from an expert who is advising we tread cautiously about what we do not know, and that is very good advice. I don't think anyone can confirm or deny that 5G carries health risks. But, we do have evidence there are health risks with other cellular communication technologies, and we ought to use that as a basis for decision making.
  - forgotmysn 6y ago
    1. it was strong enough for you to post 2. please try to explain the security issues that 5G presents that aren't present in 4G, 3G, etc. 3. a lack of information is not an excuse to promote doubt and misinformation. part of the reason we haven't been able to measure the long-term effects of cellular radiation is that it takes time to run those studies. please stop promoting lies and undermining trust in the systems that help manage our society
    - davisr 6y ago
      Hi, in response to #2, 5G allows for very fine resolution in location tracking. There are also concerns about the manufacturers of that equipment. I'll direct you to this link for more: https://www.brookings.edu/research/why-5g-requires-new-approaches-to-cybersecurity/ https://www.brookings.edu/research/why-5g-requires-new-appro... In response to #3, I have not posted any lies, and anything that disagrees with your narrative is not automatically FUD. There are serious doubts of 5G on many fronts by many experts, and these doubts should be discussed. However, as I've noticed here, there is a tendency by the group to form an echo chamber. Anything that's not in-group is not allowed, as we see here, where an expert has a serious concern about untested technologies. I wish we were able to have an honest conversation about this. > It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. Let's reverse roles: can you explain some concerns you might have about 5G? How about at the very basic of levels: why do we need poly-gigabit speeds for cell phones, and how could implementing it negatively impact people?
      - krageon 6y ago
        > why do we need Why not? When we moved from 3G to 4G I felt like it was kind of useless, but now that I have it I definitely enjoy all the things that become possible with it (lower latency everything, mostly). It was the same way moving from ISDN to cable. It's never bad to have better stuff - you'll find a use for it even if you don't have one now. > can you explain some concerns you might have about 5G Frankly the only real and reasonable concern to have is that there are very few engineers that roll out 5G networks that aren't Chinese. I'm not opposed to China, but I am opposed to a country's entire infrastructure being built and maintained by another country (that may want to use that to exert political pressure some day). > there is a tendency by the group to form an echo chamber In this case I really don't think it's that, it's mostly that you posted information that's just wrong and then you retreated to a (frankly lazy) defense as to why you're spreading misinformation. It makes you come off as the kind of person that's really unpleasant to talk to, because the lies tend to be so sticky and pervasive. It's exhausting to have to revisit every component of what you know just because someone else couldn't be bothered to figure it out for themselves.
forgotmysn 6y ago
if you're not heavy one way or the other, than you probably shouldnt shill the the fake propaganda of one of them