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To hell with "them"? Are you saying Australians should cut off their nose to spite their face? I think you missed the whole point of this letter. Let me clarif

To hell with "them"? Are you saying Australians should cut off their nose to spite their face? I think you missed the whole point of this letter. Let me clarify: "Oi mate, the government wants to force us to fuck you royally. We don't want to. Please help stop yourself getting fucked. Cheers, cunt."

chris_wot 6y ago
And here is another Australian who says "Oi mate, Google don't want to pay taxes for profits they made in Australia. They don't want to invest in schools, universities, infrastructure or anything else through reasonable taxation. Google are fucking over Australians".
- knorker 6y ago
  But it's orthogonal. It's like you're saying you want to be fucked by both Google and the government. Why do two wrongs make a right, to you? Again: cutting off your nose to spite your face.
  - shard972 6y ago
    Why would it be a net loss to australia or any other nation if they instead just developed search engines locally? Is search really so impossible that only in America can they can possibly get enough talent to do web search? At a time when Australia is wanting to expand it's technology sector, seems like a simple solution if google just leaves and it's replaced by an local company that is willing to pay its fair share.
  - chris_wot 6y ago
    No, I want Google to pay taxes for profit they earned in Australia.
    - knorker 6y ago
      Or-tho-go-nal. Cutting off your nose to spite your face does not stop your face from doing whatever it did to make you spite it. Non sequitur. Orthogonal. Unrelated. Irrelevant. You can be against google fucking you and the Australian government fucking you. These are not mutually exclusive.
- nojvek 6y ago
  Google is a for profit entity which is legally bound to optimize value for shareholders. Therefore they will follow whatever taxation laws there are. Same with Amazon, MSFT, Apple etc. Change the tax laws. Google isn’t doing anything wrong (morally yes, legally no). It’s how public corporations work.
harry8 6y ago
I think you missed the /whole/ point of the comment. You are starting from the premise that google care about australians. This is a demonstrably false assumption. They don't pay their tax. They would destroy australians in a heartbeat for more money. It's not opinion, they've shown that themseleves. That is just a sad fact. Now re-read your comment and tell me if there is any good reason anyone should care about what google says when they claim to be on the side of "australians" when we know they are not. No framing, nor spin from the PR agency here changes that. Google "on the side of small players" is just vomit-making. They never have been anything other than brutal to small players in any action they have taken in business in any single way. Really. Google take everything they can, whenever they can, however they can. Ask small players who has had business squashed. Want to sell apps in the android store who have their REVENUE taxed by google while google don't pay their tax to the government. Then if you manage to make profit after paying a revenue tax to google you find you just did google's market research for them. That's one example, there are plenty. Google are foul. This open letter foul. Even if you agree with any points the PR agency is useing to try and influence you it still foul. The policy discussion about what constitutes good policy for Australia comes after we acknowledge how awful google are. And after we have agreed to place the intrerests of Google precisely last after every single Australian who pays their tax. "NO representation without taxation!"
- knorker 6y ago
  > You are starting from the premise that google care about australians I'm absolutely not. Complete misunderstanding of everything I'm saying. "Hey that guy is about to stab you!" -"fuck you you're a .. aaaaaargh I'm being stabbed!" > They would destroy australians in a heartbeat for more money. It's not opinion, they've shown that themseleves. That is just a sad fact. Also 100% irrelevant. > Now re-read your comment and tell me if there is any good reason anyone should care about what google says Only if they are right. Don't cut off your nose to spite your face. A fact (if indeed it is) said by the stupidest evilest entity, is true even if they said it. Feynman has a great bit about that. No matter who says it, if it's right it's right, if it's wrong it's wrong. Two wrongs don't make a right. But go ahead, be fucked by both google and the gov, if you prefer being doubly fucked. The enemy of your enemy is not always your friend.

chris_wot 6y ago

And here is another Australian who says "Oi mate, Google don't want to pay taxes for profits they made in Australia. They don't want to invest in schools, universities, infrastructure or anything else through reasonable taxation. Google are fucking over Australians".

knorker 6y ago
But it's orthogonal. It's like you're saying you want to be fucked by both Google and the government. Why do two wrongs make a right, to you? Again: cutting off your nose to spite your face.
- shard972 6y ago
  Why would it be a net loss to australia or any other nation if they instead just developed search engines locally? Is search really so impossible that only in America can they can possibly get enough talent to do web search? At a time when Australia is wanting to expand it's technology sector, seems like a simple solution if google just leaves and it's replaced by an local company that is willing to pay its fair share.
- chris_wot 6y ago
  No, I want Google to pay taxes for profit they earned in Australia.
  - knorker 6y ago
    Or-tho-go-nal. Cutting off your nose to spite your face does not stop your face from doing whatever it did to make you spite it. Non sequitur. Orthogonal. Unrelated. Irrelevant. You can be against google fucking you and the Australian government fucking you. These are not mutually exclusive.
nojvek 6y ago
Google is a for profit entity which is legally bound to optimize value for shareholders. Therefore they will follow whatever taxation laws there are. Same with Amazon, MSFT, Apple etc. Change the tax laws. Google isn’t doing anything wrong (morally yes, legally no). It’s how public corporations work.

harry8 6y ago

I think you missed the /whole/ point of the comment. You are starting from the premise that google care about australians. This is a demonstrably false assumption. They don't pay their tax. They would destroy australians in a heartbeat for more money. It's not opinion, they've shown that themseleves. That is just a sad fact. Now re-read your comment and tell me if there is any good reason anyone should care about what google says when they claim to be on the side of "australians" when we know they are not. No framing, nor spin from the PR agency here changes that. Google "on the side of small players" is just vomit-making. They never have been anything other than brutal to small players in any action they have taken in business in any single way. Really. Google take everything they can, whenever they can, however they can. Ask small players who has had business squashed. Want to sell apps in the android store who have their REVENUE taxed by google while google don't pay their tax to the government. Then if you manage to make profit after paying a revenue tax to google you find you just did google's market research for them. That's one example, there are plenty. Google are foul. This open letter foul. Even if you agree with any points the PR agency is useing to try and influence you it still foul. The policy discussion about what constitutes good policy for Australia comes after we acknowledge how awful google are. And after we have agreed to place the intrerests of Google precisely last after every single Australian who pays their tax. "NO representation without taxation!"

knorker 6y ago
> You are starting from the premise that google care about australians I'm absolutely not. Complete misunderstanding of everything I'm saying. "Hey that guy is about to stab you!" -"fuck you you're a .. aaaaaargh I'm being stabbed!" > They would destroy australians in a heartbeat for more money. It's not opinion, they've shown that themseleves. That is just a sad fact. Also 100% irrelevant. > Now re-read your comment and tell me if there is any good reason anyone should care about what google says Only if they are right. Don't cut off your nose to spite your face. A fact (if indeed it is) said by the stupidest evilest entity, is true even if they said it. Feynman has a great bit about that. No matter who says it, if it's right it's right, if it's wrong it's wrong. Two wrongs don't make a right. But go ahead, be fucked by both google and the gov, if you prefer being doubly fucked. The enemy of your enemy is not always your friend.