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The same people who publicly supported the: Russiagate conspiracy Ukraine hoax Jussie Smollett hoax Bubba Wallace hoax Covington Catholic Highschool hoax

The same people who publicly supported the: Russiagate conspiracy Ukraine hoax Jussie Smollett hoax Bubba Wallace hoax Covington Catholic Highschool hoax Kavanaugh hoax Doesn't report majority of the facts of Epstein case fairly Riots are called "peaceful protests" Antifa is called a "myth" Looking at the Wikileaks emails is called "illegal" by media Now they wonder why Qanon is catching up? EDIT: I am saying this as someone who thinks Qanon is bs. But the same people who spread misinformation for years now questioning the spread of a conspiracy theory is quite hypocritical. Those who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

komradeKow 6y ago
You are getting downvoted big time by the woke libs on this board. Very few, if any, however will respond. And their silence will be deafening
JabavuAdams 6y ago
The claims of QAnon are a bit more ... ah ... extreme. Believing it requires ignorance of so many different areas that it's not in the same league.
- crooked-v 6y ago
  See, for example, the whole "Pizzagate" thing, with the claims that a child trafficking ring was being run out of the basement of one particular pizza place in D.C.... a pizza place that has been proven to have never had a basement in the first place.
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api 6y ago
I don't agree with all of what you're insinuating, but overall I think you're onto something. Even if some of these allegations have legs, it's sad that our politics mostly revolves around an endless search for the next something-"gate" instead of really discussing the issues. It's a form of deep anti-intellectualism. IMHO both sides are guilty of this. Clinton, Bush II, Obama, and now Trump were all constantly hit by any allegation anyone could find to throw at them, and many of them were and are over-inflated or outright bullshit. The campaign is the same. Trump spends more time shitting on other people and trolling on Twitter than talking about what he believes or wants to do, and Biden is basically running as "a dude who is not Donald Trump." Neither candidate is particularly exciting. I'll be once again voting for the least horrible of the two. Nobody discusses the issues, and nobody ever tries to problem solve. Personally I think it's a form of bikeshedding. People would rather sling mud than talk issues and problem solve because all the issues we face are really hard and there are huge vested interests who like the status quo and don't want anything "fixed." Edit: feel like people are knee jerking to this. I am not necessarily claiming there isn't corruption, just that there is not enough focus on actual ideas and too much focus on personalities.
- scarface74 6y ago
  This is in no way a “both sides” argument. None of the other Presidents actually encouraged the wild conspiracy theories. When McClain was running for President and one of his supporters started the “birther” bullshit, McCain shut them down. People insist on claiming that what the crazies (the subset not saying all Republicans are crazy) are doing in the modern Republican Party is normal politics. Neither Bush, McCain, Romney or any of the serious Republican candidates for President in 2016 were anywhere near this unhinged. Edit: I still don’t understand how it is controversial to say that neither traditional Democrat or Republicans are anything like this. Which side takes this as a negative?
  - hindsightbias 6y ago
    Where did all those traditional Republicans go? It’s a bit like my southerner friends with Battle Flag bumperstickers calling themselves members of the party of Lincoln.
    - api 6y ago
      Same place as the sorts of Democrats who want infrastructure projects and moon shots: they're not getting elected. A Qanon nut just beat out a former neurosurgeon in a Republican primary in Georgia. We do in fact live in a democracy. It's a dysfunctional one, but it is one. The people get what the people elect. P.S. In many ways primaries are more critical than main elections. This is particularly true in states that lean strongly toward one party or the other. In that case the primary is the election.
- hindsightbias 6y ago
  Conspiracies are a means to an ends for agendas, so at the voter level it only matters what the agenda is. In last iteration, it’s not clear that there is an agenda on the right other than staying in power and tweaking the left. The left does appear to have a strategy and if we believe what the right says, they would agree there is. Health care is a really hard problem with huge vested interests and what we got is not some weird outlier from those points. But one party did something and another just said NO.
crooked-v 6y ago
> Bubba Wallace hoax No hoax there, just misunderstandings (and probably somebody's old, unnoticed attempt at harassing some other driver or driver's team). See https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nascar/news/bubba-wallace-noose-hoax-nascar-facts/97l45h1k337m1ugxiat5k4wzu https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nascar/news/bubba-wallace-no... for an outline of what happened: there was genuinely a noose tied on the pull rope of exactly one out of 1,684 garage stalls, but it had been there since at least October 2019. That it was Bubba Wallace's team that noticed it was coincidence, but it seemed targeted to him at the time because of the unlikeliness of it.
- TMWNN 6y ago
  >No hoax there, just misunderstandings (and probably somebody's old, unnoticed attempt at harassing some other driver or driver's team). Did Bubba Wallace ever say "Hey folks, it looks like it was all a big misunderstanding. My thanks to the fellow NASCAR drivers who supported me before we realized this". No; he doubled down.
  - crooked-v 6y ago
    See his statement to that effect: https://twitter.com/BubbaWallace/status/1275844030144950272 https://twitter.com/BubbaWallace/status/1275844030144950272
    - TMWNN 6y ago
      I hadn't seen this. I was referring to his interview with Don Lemon before the tweet, in which he indeed doubled down on the noose angle. https://www.advocate.com/news/2020/6/24/bubba-wallace-don-lemon-whatever-fbi-says-noose-was-hung https://www.advocate.com/news/2020/6/24/bubba-wallace-don-le... He put the tweet out after being rightly mocked for not admitting that sometimes a knot is just a knot.
      - crooked-v 6y ago
        It was very much not 'just a knot': it was very clearly a noose, and as I already mentioned, it was confirmed at the time that only that single garage stall out of all of them at every NASCAR track had the pull rope tied in that way. It turned out that it hadn't been put there to target Bubba Wallace, but it was still even at best a sick joke in bad humor put there by some previous inhabitant of that garage stall.
dang 6y ago
It looks like your account has been using HN primarily for political/ideological battle. Can you please not? It's against the rules (https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html), regardless of what politics/ideology you favor, because it destroys the curiosity this site is supposed to be for. Thus we have to moderate against it,
aww_dang 6y ago
It is curious how the media has reached this point of cognitive dissonance. Each side has their own set of "facts". Synthesis isn't especially enlightening either. I don't think you are alone in observing the absurdity of it all.

komradeKow 6y ago

You are getting downvoted big time by the woke libs on this board. Very few, if any, however will respond. And their silence will be deafening

JabavuAdams 6y ago

The claims of QAnon are a bit more ... ah ... extreme. Believing it requires ignorance of so many different areas that it's not in the same league.

crooked-v 6y ago
See, for example, the whole "Pizzagate" thing, with the claims that a child trafficking ring was being run out of the basement of one particular pizza place in D.C.... a pizza place that has been proven to have never had a basement in the first place.
- deleted 6y ago
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api 6y ago

I don't agree with all of what you're insinuating, but overall I think you're onto something. Even if some of these allegations have legs, it's sad that our politics mostly revolves around an endless search for the next something-"gate" instead of really discussing the issues. It's a form of deep anti-intellectualism. IMHO both sides are guilty of this. Clinton, Bush II, Obama, and now Trump were all constantly hit by any allegation anyone could find to throw at them, and many of them were and are over-inflated or outright bullshit. The campaign is the same. Trump spends more time shitting on other people and trolling on Twitter than talking about what he believes or wants to do, and Biden is basically running as "a dude who is not Donald Trump." Neither candidate is particularly exciting. I'll be once again voting for the least horrible of the two. Nobody discusses the issues, and nobody ever tries to problem solve. Personally I think it's a form of bikeshedding. People would rather sling mud than talk issues and problem solve because all the issues we face are really hard and there are huge vested interests who like the status quo and don't want anything "fixed." Edit: feel like people are knee jerking to this. I am not necessarily claiming there isn't corruption, just that there is not enough focus on actual ideas and too much focus on personalities.

scarface74 6y ago
This is in no way a “both sides” argument. None of the other Presidents actually encouraged the wild conspiracy theories. When McClain was running for President and one of his supporters started the “birther” bullshit, McCain shut them down. People insist on claiming that what the crazies (the subset not saying all Republicans are crazy) are doing in the modern Republican Party is normal politics. Neither Bush, McCain, Romney or any of the serious Republican candidates for President in 2016 were anywhere near this unhinged. Edit: I still don’t understand how it is controversial to say that neither traditional Democrat or Republicans are anything like this. Which side takes this as a negative?
- hindsightbias 6y ago
  Where did all those traditional Republicans go? It’s a bit like my southerner friends with Battle Flag bumperstickers calling themselves members of the party of Lincoln.
  - api 6y ago
    Same place as the sorts of Democrats who want infrastructure projects and moon shots: they're not getting elected. A Qanon nut just beat out a former neurosurgeon in a Republican primary in Georgia. We do in fact live in a democracy. It's a dysfunctional one, but it is one. The people get what the people elect. P.S. In many ways primaries are more critical than main elections. This is particularly true in states that lean strongly toward one party or the other. In that case the primary is the election.
hindsightbias 6y ago
Conspiracies are a means to an ends for agendas, so at the voter level it only matters what the agenda is. In last iteration, it’s not clear that there is an agenda on the right other than staying in power and tweaking the left. The left does appear to have a strategy and if we believe what the right says, they would agree there is. Health care is a really hard problem with huge vested interests and what we got is not some weird outlier from those points. But one party did something and another just said NO.

crooked-v 6y ago

> Bubba Wallace hoax No hoax there, just misunderstandings (and probably somebody's old, unnoticed attempt at harassing some other driver or driver's team). See https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nascar/news/bubba-wallace-noose-hoax-nascar-facts/97l45h1k337m1ugxiat5k4wzu https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nascar/news/bubba-wallace-no... for an outline of what happened: there was genuinely a noose tied on the pull rope of exactly one out of 1,684 garage stalls, but it had been there since at least October 2019. That it was Bubba Wallace's team that noticed it was coincidence, but it seemed targeted to him at the time because of the unlikeliness of it.

TMWNN 6y ago
>No hoax there, just misunderstandings (and probably somebody's old, unnoticed attempt at harassing some other driver or driver's team). Did Bubba Wallace ever say "Hey folks, it looks like it was all a big misunderstanding. My thanks to the fellow NASCAR drivers who supported me before we realized this". No; he doubled down.
- crooked-v 6y ago
  See his statement to that effect: https://twitter.com/BubbaWallace/status/1275844030144950272 https://twitter.com/BubbaWallace/status/1275844030144950272
  - TMWNN 6y ago
    I hadn't seen this. I was referring to his interview with Don Lemon before the tweet, in which he indeed doubled down on the noose angle. https://www.advocate.com/news/2020/6/24/bubba-wallace-don-lemon-whatever-fbi-says-noose-was-hung https://www.advocate.com/news/2020/6/24/bubba-wallace-don-le... He put the tweet out after being rightly mocked for not admitting that sometimes a knot is just a knot.
    - crooked-v 6y ago
      It was very much not 'just a knot': it was very clearly a noose, and as I already mentioned, it was confirmed at the time that only that single garage stall out of all of them at every NASCAR track had the pull rope tied in that way. It turned out that it hadn't been put there to target Bubba Wallace, but it was still even at best a sick joke in bad humor put there by some previous inhabitant of that garage stall.

dang 6y ago

It looks like your account has been using HN primarily for political/ideological battle. Can you please not? It's against the rules (https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html), regardless of what politics/ideology you favor, because it destroys the curiosity this site is supposed to be for. Thus we have to moderate against it,

aww_dang 6y ago

It is curious how the media has reached this point of cognitive dissonance. Each side has their own set of "facts". Synthesis isn't especially enlightening either. I don't think you are alone in observing the absurdity of it all.