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I think your response would be unfair. If you think about the statement "running this software is a nightmare if you know nothing about the technologies it is b

I think your response would be unfair. If you think about the statement "running this software is a nightmare if you know nothing about the technologies it is built on" outside of this context, it clearly doesn't typically apply. You wouldn't apply that to using a web browser or a word processor, right? Should 'blog writing' software really have such a greater barrier of entry?

jay_kyburz 6y ago
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macspoofing 6y ago
>I think your response would be unfair. I don't think so. The author actually gave themselves a weird goal - to use Wordpress as the text editor, and export/copy the static content to github. I'm not sure why they would do that, but OK! In the end, their problem wasn't with the workflow but with setting up local version of Wordpress (why? why not use a hosted version of Wordpress????), PHP, Apache, MySQL and FTP(!!). WordPress isn't actually that hard to setup. It's a little harder on Windows, because setting up PHP on Windows just isn't as natural as on Linux but XAMPP makes it as easy as possible. >Should 'blog writing' software really have such a greater barrier of entry? But it doesn't. You have a plethora of (free) hosted blogging solutions. You could also get private hosting with the LAMP stack already pre-installed and configured.
- manigandham 6y ago
  Why someone would do this: Wordpress has a solid editor, lots of plugins, and is used by millions so the workflow is well tested. The resulting pages are a perfect fit as static content. You can accomplish this by using a CDN that caches everything, or use plugins that export static files like WP2Static, or use integrations with static site frameworks like Gatsby that treat WP as a CMS. But yes, doing it all from scratch yourself is probably not worth it, especially if you're unfamiliar with the tech.
  - macspoofing 6y ago
    >Why someone would do this: Wordpress has a solid editor, lots of plugins, and is used by millions so the workflow is well tested. Sure - why not. The question, why do you need to host it locally? You can just create a free account on wordpress.com, or get a private hosted solution for peanuts and with the LAMP stack already configured.
    - manigandham 6y ago
      Yes, that's what the last sentence is about.
    - disgruntledphd2 6y ago
      But to be fair, the authors core point is correct - running Wordpress locally and then deploying to the internet is an absolute tire-fire. For context my wife uses wordpress to build various sites. I got lumped with the task of moving this online. It was super painful, as WP encodes the URL name (i.e. localhost) flipping everywhere. I eventually resolved this by editing the tables which stored the URLS (fortunately, as a DS I know SQL) and doing some sed on various files that cached the URL. I now refuse to do this, and set her up online with a website before she does any work, because moving it is so painful.
      - hunter2_ 6y ago
        https://wordpress.org/support/article/changing-the-site-url/ https://wordpress.org/support/article/changing-the-site-url/
        disgruntledphd2 6y ago
        Many packages store the raw URLs in the DB, and don't respect the change of that setting. At least that was my experience. I did try the obvious things first, to be fair.
        tacone 6y ago
coldtea 6y ago
>Should 'blog writing' software really have such a greater barrier of entry? It doesn't. You can open an account on Wordpress.org and be writing your blog in 1 minute. You can use your virtual hosting's manager to install Wordpress and be running in 10 minutes. You can download MAMP or WAMP (packaged Wordpress + MySQL + Apache + PHP) and be running locally in 15 minutes. This guy wanted to do an install locally manually, patch it to produce static pages (which is not what it was made for0, hook it up with GitHub pages, and so on. And all that without bothering to know how.
- frereubu 6y ago
  Small nit just for clarity: you mean "open an account on wordpress.com" - wordpress.org is the self-hosted version.
  - coldtea 6y ago
    Yeah, .com
- todotask 6y ago
  Open an account on WordPress.com, you need to account for unforeseen downtime which is probably hosted on GoDaddy.
  - todotask 6y ago
    Don't understand the downvote, it's a fact that downtime does happen.

jay_kyburz 6y ago

Bring Back CityDesk! https://www.joelonsoftware.com/2001/10/12/what-does-citydesk-do/ https://www.joelonsoftware.com/2001/10/12/what-does-citydesk...

macspoofing 6y ago

>I think your response would be unfair. I don't think so. The author actually gave themselves a weird goal - to use Wordpress as the text editor, and export/copy the static content to github. I'm not sure why they would do that, but OK! In the end, their problem wasn't with the workflow but with setting up local version of Wordpress (why? why not use a hosted version of Wordpress????), PHP, Apache, MySQL and FTP(!!). WordPress isn't actually that hard to setup. It's a little harder on Windows, because setting up PHP on Windows just isn't as natural as on Linux but XAMPP makes it as easy as possible. >Should 'blog writing' software really have such a greater barrier of entry? But it doesn't. You have a plethora of (free) hosted blogging solutions. You could also get private hosting with the LAMP stack already pre-installed and configured.

manigandham 6y ago
Why someone would do this: Wordpress has a solid editor, lots of plugins, and is used by millions so the workflow is well tested. The resulting pages are a perfect fit as static content. You can accomplish this by using a CDN that caches everything, or use plugins that export static files like WP2Static, or use integrations with static site frameworks like Gatsby that treat WP as a CMS. But yes, doing it all from scratch yourself is probably not worth it, especially if you're unfamiliar with the tech.
- macspoofing 6y ago
  >Why someone would do this: Wordpress has a solid editor, lots of plugins, and is used by millions so the workflow is well tested. Sure - why not. The question, why do you need to host it locally? You can just create a free account on wordpress.com, or get a private hosted solution for peanuts and with the LAMP stack already configured.
  - manigandham 6y ago
    Yes, that's what the last sentence is about.
  - disgruntledphd2 6y ago
    But to be fair, the authors core point is correct - running Wordpress locally and then deploying to the internet is an absolute tire-fire. For context my wife uses wordpress to build various sites. I got lumped with the task of moving this online. It was super painful, as WP encodes the URL name (i.e. localhost) flipping everywhere. I eventually resolved this by editing the tables which stored the URLS (fortunately, as a DS I know SQL) and doing some sed on various files that cached the URL. I now refuse to do this, and set her up online with a website before she does any work, because moving it is so painful.
    - hunter2_ 6y ago
      https://wordpress.org/support/article/changing-the-site-url/ https://wordpress.org/support/article/changing-the-site-url/
      - disgruntledphd2 6y ago
        Many packages store the raw URLs in the DB, and don't respect the change of that setting. At least that was my experience. I did try the obvious things first, to be fair.
        tacone 6y ago

coldtea 6y ago

>Should 'blog writing' software really have such a greater barrier of entry? It doesn't. You can open an account on Wordpress.org and be writing your blog in 1 minute. You can use your virtual hosting's manager to install Wordpress and be running in 10 minutes. You can download MAMP or WAMP (packaged Wordpress + MySQL + Apache + PHP) and be running locally in 15 minutes. This guy wanted to do an install locally manually, patch it to produce static pages (which is not what it was made for0, hook it up with GitHub pages, and so on. And all that without bothering to know how.

frereubu 6y ago
Small nit just for clarity: you mean "open an account on wordpress.com" - wordpress.org is the self-hosted version.
- coldtea 6y ago
  Yeah, .com
todotask 6y ago
Open an account on WordPress.com, you need to account for unforeseen downtime which is probably hosted on GoDaddy.
- todotask 6y ago
  Don't understand the downvote, it's a fact that downtime does happen.