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Somehow completely ignoring the issue with how the homeless have made many areas of the city uninviting. The pandemic is being exploited by both business and po

Somehow completely ignoring the issue with how the homeless have made many areas of the city uninviting. The pandemic is being exploited by both business and politicians alike to mask underlying issues in hopes of getting a free pass. The old don't look behind the curtain. Protest violence isn't helping any city; and the lie about Federal agents causing it was silences with continued violence long after they left; and the long term change to where people want to live from the confluence of the pandemic, protest violence, and costs, is all coming to haunt our cities.

wwwwwwwww 6y ago
> how the homeless have made many areas of the city uninviting That's a very ugly sentence. Its is not "the homeless" who made the city uninviting. That is like saying "the sick made this hospital uninviting". Homeless people need help. They are people in distress. Those who made the city uninviting are self-centered voters, who apparently can't give two shits about the situation, and keep voting people into power who don't do anything to help those who need help.
- D895n9o33436N42 6y ago
  > That is like saying "the sick made this hospital uninviting". But the sick do make a hospital uninviting! Think of all those heart attack patients who opted not to visit their local emergency department. Heart attacks are still happening regardless of how many additional patients are at the hospital due to infection.
  - etrautmann 6y ago
    This misses the point the parent was making.
    - tiredyam 6y ago
      But it does point out flaws in the analogy
- SpicyLemonZest 6y ago
  Helping the homeless is a huge chunk of the city’s budget. I could see an argument that it’s not being spent on the right things, but the idea that city voters don’t care about the situation really doesn’t make sense to me.
- paul_f 6y ago
  Semantics, we all know what the poster meant. Whatever the cause, the homeless make large swaths of San Francisco unappealing, especially for people with young families. BTW, quite the irony that the most liberal city in the country has the biggest homeless problem. Whatever they're doing isn't working, maybe they should try something different?
  - wwwwwwwww 6y ago
    Again, its society and its lack of compassion does it. Not "the homeless".
    - pb7 6y ago
      There is more than plenty of compassion in SF and it doesn’t seem to be helping.
    - zzzzzzzza 6y ago
      or maybe just prop 13
      - rcpt 6y ago
        That law is the root of the problem. California will bankrupt before it goes away.
      - khyryk 6y ago
        What do you call a 2% per year tax on a $800k+ property? Permanent rent.
    - lotsofpulp 6y ago
      If SF decided to show compassion and start spending the massive amounts of money needed to help the homeless via education or mental health facilities, every other municipality in the country will start shipping people in. This isn’t a problem any city or state can address. It’s only solvable on a federal level, and that’s only because there is a military to enforce borders.
- roenxi 6y ago
  All analogies break down fairly quickly, so I'll preface this with a clear vote of support for what you said. But in this case the purpose of a hospital is to provide for the sick. The purpose of a city is to do the opposite of homelessness - a city is a massive collection of homes. The existence of a large homeless population is concerning for reasons you allude to, but because a more appropriate analogy might be "the piles of corpses made the hospital uninviting". The point of a city is to not have homeless people and so something fundamental went wrong if there is a big homeless population.
  - wwwwwwwww 6y ago
    > the purpose of a hospital is to provide for the sick And the purpose of society is to provide for its people. All of them.
    - jod53 6y ago
      Perhaps true for society depending on your views, but the point of a city is simply somewhere many people want to live together. A sign of a healthy city is steady growth, this could be from the opportunities available or the attractiveness of the quality of life of the city. For Sf, the opportunity aspect is strong enough so people are willing to overlook the widespread homelessness.
      - wwwwwwwww 6y ago
        > depending on your views Not views, but human history.
        zepto 6y ago
        What historical societies have provided for ‘all of their people’?
    - bzb4 6y ago
      There’s no such thing as society.
- chaostheory 6y ago
  Yes the homeless need to be in long term health facilities. Many of these people were essentially kicked out of these facilities due to budget issues. The federal government turns a blind eye, while individual cities take turns buying bus or plane fares to make them another city’s problem. This issue has its origins from a combination of the Reagan Administration and heavy lobbying by the Kennedy family.
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badrabbit 6y ago
Ok, give the homeless homes and don't complain about homeless shelters in your upscale neighborhood. Reform police, there are major american cities with protests and minimal violence. You complain about symptoms with no regard for the root cause.
- SpicyLemonZest 6y ago
  I guess I’m not sure who you’re telling this to. Most people don’t have the time or energy to lead city reforms on their own. Their choices are to stay or leave, and it seems an increasing number of people are picking leave.
  - badrabbit 6y ago
    Well to do people who can afford to leave also complain about homeless shelters in their neighborhood. I wasn't suggesting leading a reform but attacking the root cause by changing your opinion and the opinions of others.
    - SpicyLemonZest 6y ago
      There’s a homeless shelter 2 blocks away from me, and I’m perfectly fine with it. The residents are great people as far as I can tell; I smile and wave when I see them, and I don’t begrudge the occasional panhandler or guy mumbling to himself. I mention all that to be very clear about what I mean when I say, I wouldn’t agree to live near a San Francisco homeless shelter either. I just can’t tolerate people screaming at me all the time or scattering used needles on the sidewalk outside, and definitely couldn’t ask friends or family to tolerate it.
      - tiredyam 6y ago
        This needs to upvoted higher. My anecdotal experience living in SF near homeless shelters for years is that there is a stark contrast in the homeless population in SF compared to other major US cities. I don’t claim to know why, but my big take away is that there isn’t a one size fits all strategy to addressing homelessness as it varies from region to region.
dencodev 6y ago
Blaming violence on protestors comes across as super racist these days.
jhowell 6y ago
> Somehow completely ignoring the issue with how the homeless have made many areas of the city uninviting. Perhaps a more solution oriented statement: Somehow completely ignoring the issue with how tech has made the homeless in many areas of the city uninvited. These people would easily prefer to be in DevOps, can learn to run other people's software and call it a job, as we all do, except maybe for issues encountered along the way (housing, direct or indirect mental health crises, food insecurity). Our indifference to, or what we considered not to be priority is coming to the surface.

wwwwwwwww 6y ago

> how the homeless have made many areas of the city uninviting That's a very ugly sentence. Its is not "the homeless" who made the city uninviting. That is like saying "the sick made this hospital uninviting". Homeless people need help. They are people in distress. Those who made the city uninviting are self-centered voters, who apparently can't give two shits about the situation, and keep voting people into power who don't do anything to help those who need help.

D895n9o33436N42 6y ago
> That is like saying "the sick made this hospital uninviting". But the sick do make a hospital uninviting! Think of all those heart attack patients who opted not to visit their local emergency department. Heart attacks are still happening regardless of how many additional patients are at the hospital due to infection.
- etrautmann 6y ago
  This misses the point the parent was making.
  - tiredyam 6y ago
    But it does point out flaws in the analogy
SpicyLemonZest 6y ago
Helping the homeless is a huge chunk of the city’s budget. I could see an argument that it’s not being spent on the right things, but the idea that city voters don’t care about the situation really doesn’t make sense to me.
paul_f 6y ago
Semantics, we all know what the poster meant. Whatever the cause, the homeless make large swaths of San Francisco unappealing, especially for people with young families. BTW, quite the irony that the most liberal city in the country has the biggest homeless problem. Whatever they're doing isn't working, maybe they should try something different?
- wwwwwwwww 6y ago
  Again, its society and its lack of compassion does it. Not "the homeless".
  - pb7 6y ago
    There is more than plenty of compassion in SF and it doesn’t seem to be helping.
  - zzzzzzzza 6y ago
    or maybe just prop 13
    - rcpt 6y ago
      That law is the root of the problem. California will bankrupt before it goes away.
    - khyryk 6y ago
      What do you call a 2% per year tax on a $800k+ property? Permanent rent.
  - lotsofpulp 6y ago
    If SF decided to show compassion and start spending the massive amounts of money needed to help the homeless via education or mental health facilities, every other municipality in the country will start shipping people in. This isn’t a problem any city or state can address. It’s only solvable on a federal level, and that’s only because there is a military to enforce borders.
roenxi 6y ago
All analogies break down fairly quickly, so I'll preface this with a clear vote of support for what you said. But in this case the purpose of a hospital is to provide for the sick. The purpose of a city is to do the opposite of homelessness - a city is a massive collection of homes. The existence of a large homeless population is concerning for reasons you allude to, but because a more appropriate analogy might be "the piles of corpses made the hospital uninviting". The point of a city is to not have homeless people and so something fundamental went wrong if there is a big homeless population.
- wwwwwwwww 6y ago
  > the purpose of a hospital is to provide for the sick And the purpose of society is to provide for its people. All of them.
  - jod53 6y ago
    Perhaps true for society depending on your views, but the point of a city is simply somewhere many people want to live together. A sign of a healthy city is steady growth, this could be from the opportunities available or the attractiveness of the quality of life of the city. For Sf, the opportunity aspect is strong enough so people are willing to overlook the widespread homelessness.
    - wwwwwwwww 6y ago
      > depending on your views Not views, but human history.
      - zepto 6y ago
        What historical societies have provided for ‘all of their people’?
  - bzb4 6y ago
    There’s no such thing as society.
chaostheory 6y ago
Yes the homeless need to be in long term health facilities. Many of these people were essentially kicked out of these facilities due to budget issues. The federal government turns a blind eye, while individual cities take turns buying bus or plane fares to make them another city’s problem. This issue has its origins from a combination of the Reagan Administration and heavy lobbying by the Kennedy family.
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badrabbit 6y ago

Ok, give the homeless homes and don't complain about homeless shelters in your upscale neighborhood. Reform police, there are major american cities with protests and minimal violence. You complain about symptoms with no regard for the root cause.

SpicyLemonZest 6y ago
I guess I’m not sure who you’re telling this to. Most people don’t have the time or energy to lead city reforms on their own. Their choices are to stay or leave, and it seems an increasing number of people are picking leave.
- badrabbit 6y ago
  Well to do people who can afford to leave also complain about homeless shelters in their neighborhood. I wasn't suggesting leading a reform but attacking the root cause by changing your opinion and the opinions of others.
  - SpicyLemonZest 6y ago
    There’s a homeless shelter 2 blocks away from me, and I’m perfectly fine with it. The residents are great people as far as I can tell; I smile and wave when I see them, and I don’t begrudge the occasional panhandler or guy mumbling to himself. I mention all that to be very clear about what I mean when I say, I wouldn’t agree to live near a San Francisco homeless shelter either. I just can’t tolerate people screaming at me all the time or scattering used needles on the sidewalk outside, and definitely couldn’t ask friends or family to tolerate it.
    - tiredyam 6y ago
      This needs to upvoted higher. My anecdotal experience living in SF near homeless shelters for years is that there is a stark contrast in the homeless population in SF compared to other major US cities. I don’t claim to know why, but my big take away is that there isn’t a one size fits all strategy to addressing homelessness as it varies from region to region.

dencodev 6y ago

Blaming violence on protestors comes across as super racist these days.

jhowell 6y ago

> Somehow completely ignoring the issue with how the homeless have made many areas of the city uninviting. Perhaps a more solution oriented statement: Somehow completely ignoring the issue with how tech has made the homeless in many areas of the city uninvited. These people would easily prefer to be in DevOps, can learn to run other people's software and call it a job, as we all do, except maybe for issues encountered along the way (housing, direct or indirect mental health crises, food insecurity). Our indifference to, or what we considered not to be priority is coming to the surface.