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The whole OP was about how Title IX didn't ruin the career, but the Provost did anyway.

throwaway894345 6y ago
Agreed, but there are many other documented Title IX cases where the victims’ careers are ruined and we should also suspect a long tail of incidents we don’t hear about. It would be equally illogical to hear Susan Fowler’s case of sexual harassment and conclude that because she was on the cover of Time magazine and otherwise widely published that there isn’t an invisible minority whose careers are ruined. Further, TFA documents the Title IX inquiry as a kangaroo court, consistent with every other documented complaint of Title IX excesses; it’s not much of a consolation that it outperformed the Provost’s own kangaroo court.
SpicyLemonZest 6y ago
Remember that the literal text of Title IX just bans sex discrimination. When people discuss "Title IX" as a concept, they're generally referring to the general attitudes towards sex and romance in American universities, where authorities are instructed and acculturated to view all but the most squeaky-clean things as extreme misconduct which justifies booting out the accused.
- sukilot 6y ago
  Title IX is a specific law. Recent trends in Left wing / feminist thought and behavior have some interaction with that, but only in the sense that they interact with everything in the University.
  - SpicyLemonZest 6y ago
    The full text of Title IX is a single sentence: > No person in the United States shall, on the basis of sex, be excluded from participation in, be denied the benefits of, or be subjected to discrimination under any education program or activity receiving Federal financial assistance. When people refer to Title IX offices, investigations, or practices, they're not referring to a part of this sentence, but to the administrative structures that have been set up around it.
    - javagram 6y ago
      Title IX is not simply an attitude though. There was a “Dear Colleague” letter from the DOJ sent to all colleges some years ago setting out guidelines for colleges to follow in enforcing Title IX. The implicit threat was they would be sued by the DOJ if they didn’t put those procedures in place. Yes, the law as passed by Congress is a single sentence, but the law as enforced by courts includes not only that sentence but also rules and regulations put forth by unelected government agencies. https://www2.ed.gov/print/about/offices/list/ocr/letters/colleague-201104.html https://www2.ed.gov/print/about/offices/list/ocr/letters/col... Those rules in the “Dear Colleague” letter have just been replaced by the DOJ with a new regulation promulgated under the Administrative Procedure Act, which also has the force of law despite greatly expanding on the single sentence of law passed by congress in Title IX.
      - SpicyLemonZest 6y ago
        Yeah, I think we’re saying the thing. Administrators didn’t arrive at this attitude by chance; the DOJ’s positioning in combination with related activism sent a strong message that they were supposed to.

Agreed, but there are many other documented Title IX cases where the victims’ careers are ruined and we should also suspect a long tail of incidents we don’t hear about. It would be equally illogical to hear Susan Fowler’s case of sexual harassment and conclude that because she was on the cover of Time magazine and otherwise widely published that there isn’t an invisible minority whose careers are ruined. Further, TFA documents the Title IX inquiry as a kangaroo court, consistent with every other documented complaint of Title IX excesses; it’s not much of a consolation that it outperformed the Provost’s own kangaroo court.

SpicyLemonZest 6y ago

Remember that the literal text of Title IX just bans sex discrimination. When people discuss "Title IX" as a concept, they're generally referring to the general attitudes towards sex and romance in American universities, where authorities are instructed and acculturated to view all but the most squeaky-clean things as extreme misconduct which justifies booting out the accused.

sukilot 6y ago
Title IX is a specific law. Recent trends in Left wing / feminist thought and behavior have some interaction with that, but only in the sense that they interact with everything in the University.
- SpicyLemonZest 6y ago
  The full text of Title IX is a single sentence: > No person in the United States shall, on the basis of sex, be excluded from participation in, be denied the benefits of, or be subjected to discrimination under any education program or activity receiving Federal financial assistance. When people refer to Title IX offices, investigations, or practices, they're not referring to a part of this sentence, but to the administrative structures that have been set up around it.
  - javagram 6y ago
    Title IX is not simply an attitude though. There was a “Dear Colleague” letter from the DOJ sent to all colleges some years ago setting out guidelines for colleges to follow in enforcing Title IX. The implicit threat was they would be sued by the DOJ if they didn’t put those procedures in place. Yes, the law as passed by Congress is a single sentence, but the law as enforced by courts includes not only that sentence but also rules and regulations put forth by unelected government agencies. https://www2.ed.gov/print/about/offices/list/ocr/letters/colleague-201104.html https://www2.ed.gov/print/about/offices/list/ocr/letters/col... Those rules in the “Dear Colleague” letter have just been replaced by the DOJ with a new regulation promulgated under the Administrative Procedure Act, which also has the force of law despite greatly expanding on the single sentence of law passed by congress in Title IX.
    - SpicyLemonZest 6y ago
      Yeah, I think we’re saying the thing. Administrators didn’t arrive at this attitude by chance; the DOJ’s positioning in combination with related activism sent a strong message that they were supposed to.