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The amount of hatred towards America in this circle is astonishing, and the schadenfreude just feels like a drug. I honestly don't understand, I keep trying to

The amount of hatred towards America in this circle is astonishing, and the schadenfreude just feels like a drug. I honestly don't understand, I keep trying to imagine how it would feel if people were like that towards my country.

SpicyLemonZest 6y ago
I think much of the hatred you're seeing comes from Americans, who are frustrated and lashing out because the country won't implement the pandemic control policies they'd like. Most non-Americans I know understand it's cruel and unhelpful to say "hah, you guys have a deadly disease spreading! what idiots!"
- mardifoufs 6y ago
  To be honest, I don't think americans know what they have. I totally understand wanting to get even better and fixing all the stuff that's broken in american society! But the self hatred and continuous bashing is almost annoying at this point. I mean it's crazy to see in this thread some who actually believe H1Bs are down because people don't want to live in the US anymore. It's completely detached from the reality where hundreds of millions, or even billions would do a lot to have the opportunity to move to the US. It really comes from a position of privilege in my opinion.
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dominotw 6y ago
its coming from jealous people. People doing the same CRUD api jobs in some other country for 30k/yr max.
- scarface74 6y ago
  Yes because all of the developers here live on the west coast and make $500K a year.
ralfn 6y ago
In the Netherlands we have a saying 'high trees catch a lot of wind' It's the best known country in the world. It's the most famous one. As a result chances are for a lot of people on this planet the people they admire the most and the people they despise the most will contain a lot of Americans. I'm from the Netherlands. When we elect an idiot he falls of a skateboard and says something stupid. When Americans elect an idiot a country gets bombed or the world economy almost collapses. It's too easy for the rest of the west to put all blame on the US. On the other hand: to be the leader of the free world was the ambition of the US for a long time. That does come with more responsibility. If they dont want to carry all that responsibility by themselves one of the things that has got to go too is the American Exceptionalism. You can't have your cake and eat it too. The position came with both responsibilities and privileges. And maybe it would be nice to a formal letter of resignation in that case.
- doktorhladnjak 6y ago
  As an American who previously lived outside the US for several years, I cannot emphasize enough how deeply ingrained American Exceptionalism is throughout every aspect of American life and politics, yet how oblivious most Americans are to it.
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scarface74 6y ago
I was born and raised in the US. I see the same type of dog whistle politics coming from politicians toward immigrants that you saw toward my race (Black), going back to the “Willie Horton” ads and before that, “you didn’t get the job because a minority took it”. Even before that the “Southern Strategy”. Why would anyone want to come here when there are other countries that are more welcoming and that have a functional government and health care system?
- SpicyLemonZest 6y ago
  If you think toxic race politics or major parties hating on immigrants are unique to the US, you're not getting a complete picture of life in other countries.
dageshi 6y ago
It's not hatred, it's exasperation and incredulity. People didn't expect the USA to basically give up on a pandemic response because it was too inconvenient.
- krapp 6y ago
  Americans got the government they wanted. They didn't vote for competence, they voted for malice and dysfunction.
- refurb 6y ago
  Give up? Did Sweden give up on a pandemic response as well?
  - SpicyLemonZest 6y ago
    Even if taking the loss is a right choice, I think it's fair to characterize it as giving up, as compared to the alternative of fighting to contain the disease at all costs which some countries are still trying.
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andreilys 6y ago
Oikophobia describes this phenomena perfectly
geofft 6y ago
Part of it is that US immigration policy of late has deliberately been to make the US less appealing so fewer people immigrate. A natural consequence of that is people start saying "Wow, the US is less appealing." Classifying it as "hatred" seems too extreme. If you quit a job, does that mean you hate that employer? Or do you just not want to work there anymore?
refurb 6y ago
The parable of the fox and the grapes?

SpicyLemonZest 6y ago

I think much of the hatred you're seeing comes from Americans, who are frustrated and lashing out because the country won't implement the pandemic control policies they'd like. Most non-Americans I know understand it's cruel and unhelpful to say "hah, you guys have a deadly disease spreading! what idiots!"

mardifoufs 6y ago
To be honest, I don't think americans know what they have. I totally understand wanting to get even better and fixing all the stuff that's broken in american society! But the self hatred and continuous bashing is almost annoying at this point. I mean it's crazy to see in this thread some who actually believe H1Bs are down because people don't want to live in the US anymore. It's completely detached from the reality where hundreds of millions, or even billions would do a lot to have the opportunity to move to the US. It really comes from a position of privilege in my opinion.
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dominotw 6y ago

its coming from jealous people. People doing the same CRUD api jobs in some other country for 30k/yr max.

scarface74 6y ago
Yes because all of the developers here live on the west coast and make $500K a year.

ralfn 6y ago

In the Netherlands we have a saying 'high trees catch a lot of wind' It's the best known country in the world. It's the most famous one. As a result chances are for a lot of people on this planet the people they admire the most and the people they despise the most will contain a lot of Americans. I'm from the Netherlands. When we elect an idiot he falls of a skateboard and says something stupid. When Americans elect an idiot a country gets bombed or the world economy almost collapses. It's too easy for the rest of the west to put all blame on the US. On the other hand: to be the leader of the free world was the ambition of the US for a long time. That does come with more responsibility. If they dont want to carry all that responsibility by themselves one of the things that has got to go too is the American Exceptionalism. You can't have your cake and eat it too. The position came with both responsibilities and privileges. And maybe it would be nice to a formal letter of resignation in that case.

doktorhladnjak 6y ago
As an American who previously lived outside the US for several years, I cannot emphasize enough how deeply ingrained American Exceptionalism is throughout every aspect of American life and politics, yet how oblivious most Americans are to it.
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scarface74 6y ago

I was born and raised in the US. I see the same type of dog whistle politics coming from politicians toward immigrants that you saw toward my race (Black), going back to the “Willie Horton” ads and before that, “you didn’t get the job because a minority took it”. Even before that the “Southern Strategy”. Why would anyone want to come here when there are other countries that are more welcoming and that have a functional government and health care system?

SpicyLemonZest 6y ago
If you think toxic race politics or major parties hating on immigrants are unique to the US, you're not getting a complete picture of life in other countries.

dageshi 6y ago

It's not hatred, it's exasperation and incredulity. People didn't expect the USA to basically give up on a pandemic response because it was too inconvenient.

krapp 6y ago
Americans got the government they wanted. They didn't vote for competence, they voted for malice and dysfunction.
refurb 6y ago
Give up? Did Sweden give up on a pandemic response as well?
- SpicyLemonZest 6y ago
  Even if taking the loss is a right choice, I think it's fair to characterize it as giving up, as compared to the alternative of fighting to contain the disease at all costs which some countries are still trying.

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andreilys 6y ago

Oikophobia describes this phenomena perfectly

geofft 6y ago

Part of it is that US immigration policy of late has deliberately been to make the US less appealing so fewer people immigrate. A natural consequence of that is people start saying "Wow, the US is less appealing." Classifying it as "hatred" seems too extreme. If you quit a job, does that mean you hate that employer? Or do you just not want to work there anymore?

refurb 6y ago

The parable of the fox and the grapes?