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“Spanish businessmen suspect that the Chinese Government might have copied their «jamón» production methods during an inspection made in 2008 by a group of orie
by AlbertoGP 6y ago
“Spanish businessmen suspect that the Chinese Government might have copied their «jamón» production methods during an inspection made in 2008 by a group of oriental technicians in some of their factories. The objective of that visit was to check the manufacturing conditions of that product to authorize its export to the asian country. But at the beginning of 2010, the first Chinese hams arrived in the market.”
https://www.abc.es/tecnologia/abci-jamon-china-201111280000_noticia.html https://www.abc.es/tecnologia/abci-jamon-china-201111280000_...
In the USA they typically do something different: put the name in whatever product that barely resembles the original, like they did with their “manchego” cheese, a label put in all kinds of cheese-like products.
As for the Chinese ham, their propaganda reached even German TV where a supposed documentary (Galileo) claimed that Spanish «jamón» was brought from China by Marco Polo. Never mind that the Romans already knew it and there was a 2000 y.o. ham found in Conesa, Catalonia: https://www.incarlopsa.es/mundo-jamon/historia-jamon https://www.incarlopsa.es/mundo-jamon/historia-jamon
I’m sure they can produce excellent meat products in Texas; they just shouldn’t call it “ibérico” as it isn’t, just call it “texan ham” or even “jamón tejano” which actually sounds quite good!
- jghn 6y agohuh. when did this happen with manchego? i remember noticing a number of years ago that it simultaneously became a lot more common and not as good.
- SpicyLemonZest 6y agoMaybe there's more Mexican food in your area, since Mexico has used "manchego" for a while to refer to a kind of cow's milk cheese.
- notdang 6y agoIn Mexico manchego is a very specific cheese and definitively not used to define generic cow cheese.
- SpicyLemonZest 6y agoIt's a specific cheese, but I think it's the one that the original commenter is seeing - it tastes much more "normal" to Americans than Spanish manchego, and I've never seen the label on anything other than the two kinds.
- readarticle 6y agoA very specific variety of the most genericized melting cheese in the entire country which isn’t even kind of close to queso manchego in Spain, but the previous commenter already mentioned it was “a specific kind” of cheese anyways.
- biztos 6y agoI have never been to Texas but in Lockdown March I had some meat delivered from there to California as I was avoiding the supermarket, and wow, it was really great. I would totally buy “Jamon Tejano” at Whole Paycheck.
- colinthompson 6y agoAgreed! Also I am genuinely interested in finding out: what is the difference between “finishing” the pigs with peanuts and sunflower vs. acorns. That difference could be highlighted as an “American” take in the process. Variety is good!
- kleton 6y ago> what is the difference between “finishing” the pigs with peanuts and sunflower vs. acorns Loads of garbage PUFA.
- cinntaile 6y agoHow about Texan Ibérico? Then it's still clear where the product was made while also describing what it's supposed to be similar to.
- masklinn 6y agoWords have meaning, and "Texan Ibérico" (or "tejano ibérico")… doesn't really make any sense? Plus the original suggestion does make it clear what it's supposed to be similar to: normal texan ham would be called "ham".
- cinntaile 6y agoWell to me it would mean Ibérico ham not produced in Spain but in Texas using a very similar method, what about it doesn't make sense? It's also not really different from what's mentioned in the article where they say: "It will be marketed as jamón ibérico armericano or Ibericus meat."
- Beldin 6y ago> Ibérico ham not produced in Spain but in Texas using a very similar method, what about it doesn't make sense? That is not from the Iberian peninsula. This is like having a sticker "intel" on a computer when there is no intel inside, but an equivalent AMD chip. For people whose geography / chip knowledge is low, the difference may seem superficial. Doesn't mean the advertising is correct though.
- wenc 6y agoIbérico in this case doesn't refer to the place of origin (Iberia) but the type of pig (Black Iberian). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jam%C3%B3n https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jam%C3%B3n Non-Ibérico ham is usually called "jamón serrano". So logically, ham made in Texas from Black Iberian pigs could be called Texan Iberico. But I like the ring of "jamón tejano" -- I would certainly buy that! (Texas has a positive halo effect when it comes to meat products)
- chmod775 6y ago>In the USA they typically do something different: put the name in whatever product that barely resembles the original, like they did with their “manchego” cheese, a label put in all kinds of cheese-like products. For many cheeses they don't have much off a choice. Since (young) raw milk cheeses can't be sold in the states they try to get as close as they can, but usually only succeed in looks, rarely in taste.
- Semaphor 6y ago> their propaganda reached even German TV where a supposed documentary (Galileo) For non-Germans, Galileo has a reputation for bullshit and lies.
- lazyant 6y agoI read one of his biographies ("Galileo's Daughter") and I don't know where that characterization may come from, news to me (not disputing it).
- piti166 6y agoHe meant Galileo, the german TV series.
- throw0101a 6y agoGalileo addressing Orazio Grassi ("Sarsi"): > You cannot help it, Signor Sarsi, that it was granted to me alone to discover all the new phenomena in the sky and nothing to anybody else! This is the truth which neither malice nor envy can suppress! There were plenty of people working in the field (most well-known Harriot, Marius, Fabricius, Scheiner), but Galileo does not seem to have thought much of them. Grassi published a work on comets in 1618, and Galileo read it. We still have Galileo's copy, which in the margins has the following notes: “piece of asininity”, “elephantine”, “buffoon”, “evil poltroon”, “ungrateful villain”. He was not a fan. (Grassi was more correct on this topic.) For all of Galileo's intelligence, he was a somewhat of an ass, and alienated a lot of people. His Il Saggiatore (The Assayer) was an attack of Grassi's view; Grassi responded with Assagiatore (Winetaster—insinuating that Galileo was drunk when you wrote his book). Academics (and politics) was a blood sport back then. Galileo did a lot of good work, but at the end of the day, I'm not sure we needed him for progress to have been made. The word "revolutionary" being used towards Copernicus' heliocentrism is probably warranted. Tycho Brahe's hard work in making observations were key in the effort, and it was Johannes Kepler's idea of breaking free of circular orbits (that everyone else was using) over to elliptical ones that was a real innovation in modelling. (Galileo preferred the Copernican system, while Grassi preferred Tychonic. Kepler, with elliptical orbits, ended up being correct.)
- Dahoon 6y agoSomething negative of the US: Always a top reply pointing fingers at China. Someone should name that rule as it holds 100 procent of the time.
- mc32 6y agoIt’s either China or Russia, take your pick.
- booleandilemma 6y agoWhen does Iran come back in season?
- AlbertoGP 6y agoI’m the one that mentioned China, and I see what you mean. I did it to put it in context, as from my perspective (I’m Spanish although I live in Germany) this conflict is part of a wider phenomenon of appropriating the fame of products from my homeland. The USA and China are those I can point fingers at, since the other big market, the European Union, protects those “designations of origin”: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geographical_indications_and_traditional_specialities_in_the_European_Union#Protected_designation_of_origin_(PDO) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geographical_indications_and_t...
- ithkuil 6y agoThe 10 tencent rule
- gameswithgo 6y agowe have acorns, so maybe we could make the real thing?
- masklinn 6y agoTexas could make jamón tejano de bellota.
- mihaaly 6y ago"put the name in whatever product that barely resembles the original, like they did with their “manchego” cheese" Or with cheddar cheese! How awful is that substance they mark with the word cheddar and sell in stores in the states! Argh!
- Brakenshire 6y agoI had a cheese marked “Gruyere” in the US which was a bleached white paste.
- rvnx 6y agoOr the "mozzarella" on the pizzas which is actually oil and protein-based
- chrisseaton 6y agoI really dislike that the US took the name 'Cheddar' and applied it to basically mean generic cheese with no other characteristics. Traditional Cheddar is a great cheese with its own merits.
- ghaff 6y agoSomething like the sharper Cabot cheddars aren't bad for a day-to-day cheese. But it certainly is a completely different cheese than artisanal long-aged cheddars whether from the UK or the US.
- danans 6y agoFor a great US alternative, try Prairie Breeze by Milton Creamery (in Iowa). Very tasty stuff. https://miltoncreamery.com/prairie-breeze/ https://miltoncreamery.com/prairie-breeze/
- projektfu 6y agoCheddar is a name of a process as well as a location.
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- 0DHm2CxO7Lb3 6y agoSwiss cheese is produced in the US and hamburgers are not always from Hamburg. I don't really see the problem. If consumers want to know where it's from then the country of origin can be included on the package.
- YakBizzarro 6y agoSure! Then let me then sell my own kind of iPhone. For Apple it's enough to write on the package that is made in California to make the consumers aware /s
- ryanmarsh 6y ago“In the USA they typically do something different: put the name in whatever product that barely resembles the original” A cheese expert told me most of the Parmesan sold in the US is actually Asiago. As a Texan I am all for calling this pork product jamon tejano or just Texas ham. Hell, let’s go all Texas and feed them pecans instead of acorns.
- garmaine 6y agoIn American English when you name a food you are referencing the source of the cuisine, not the literal source of the ingredients themselves. If I saw Iberian Ham at the store, I would assume it tastes like the Spanish product, not that it is from Spain. I would assume “jamón tejano” was some sort of Texas BBQ.
- danans 6y ago> In American English when you name a food you are referencing the source of the cuisine, not the literal source of the ingredients themselves. That is by no means a hard and fast rule. Consider: - Alaskan salmon - Napa Valley Cabernet - Michigan Cherries - Georgia Peaches All of these refer to the places they are produced. And of course there are examples where the place name has fossilized into the product itself: - Monterey Jack cheese - Arkansas gold apples
- falsaberN1 6y agoChina buys a large amount of our pork-based products, to boot, if they were the source they wouldn't want our ham so bad. There are rumors that we are selling them most of the best stuff and then we get lower quality leftovers for local consumption, even, but I have seen no formal evidence for this yet. Although it might explain why it's so much lower quality lately.