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Sure. At the same time, is it really smart for them to just completely abandon the idea of independence? There's a lot that a browser can do for a company. Goo

Sure. At the same time, is it really smart for them to just completely abandon the idea of independence? There's a lot that a browser can do for a company. Google has built GSuite and ChromeOS around Chrome - the integration with the browser is absurd and right up Microsoft's alley. Microsoft could build Azure Active Directory, O365, Windows, etc, around a next gen browser and I think they'd be smart to do so.

treis 6y ago
> Sure. At the same time, is it really smart for them to just completely abandon the idea of independence? It is. Chrome is so dominant at this point they're the de facto web standard. Other browsers have to put in significant effort just to play catch up and can't really offer any new renderer/js feature without Chrome's blessing. Plus, we have a decade's worth of evidence that Chromium is just flat out better than the competition. Even if we set aside the problems with market share the Chromium team has consistently put out a faster engine than Firefox or IE. Adopting Chromium allows you to (mostly) avoid putting effort into the rendering engine allowing you to focus on other features to differentiate yourself.
- staticassertion 6y ago
  > Other browsers have to put in significant effort just to play catch up and can't really offer any new renderer/js feature without Chrome's blessing. Microsoft still runs the dominant operating system! They have a huge opportunity here to complete. The same way Chrome advertises on Google.com, Microsoft can provide the default fucking browser that is HUGE. > Plus, we have a decade's worth of evidence that Chromium Chrome is 12 years old. It's been super popular for less than a decade. Its multiprocess architecture, by far its most long term scalable feature, was behind Internet Explorer's (they started multiproc trend with, iirc, IE8). > Even if we set aside the problems with market share the Chromium team has consistently put out a faster engine than Firefox or IE. Acquire Servo, do better? That's my entire point.
  - solarkraft 6y ago
    > The same way Chrome advertises on Google.com, Microsoft can provide the default fucking browser that is HUGE And they already do, with a Chromium based browser. > They have a huge opportunity here to complete With what? Maintaining the other browser engine is not that monetizable.
    - staticassertion 6y ago
      Not that monetizable? See my initial post? Google absolutely monetizes the hell out of Chrome, in areas they compete with MS (O365? GSuite?).
      - solarkraft 6y ago
        Google monetizes the hell out of Chrome, the browser. Google doesn't monetize developing Blink/Chromium. Since Edge only uses that part they don't really have to care about Google's monetization and do their own. If Google stops Chromium development or goes the wrong way at some point, which is inevitable, MS will have to step in, but until then it's free real estate. They can build all that proprietary stuff with Chromium just as well, so why should they choose Firefox?
        staticassertion 6y ago
        > Google doesn't monetize developing Blink/Chromium. I disagree here. Of course they do. They could not monetize Chrome successfully without: a) Having huge amounts of control over the direction of the web b) Having a best-in-class browser that people want to use If IE had every feature of Chrome with regards to management and monetization it would still not matter, people do not want IE. If IE were a drastically better browser than Chrome, they would. Choosing Servo gives them an opportunity to leap ahead of Chrome in areas they care about.
  - treis 6y ago
    >Microsoft still runs the dominant operating system! They have a huge opportunity here to complete. The same way Chrome advertises on Google.com, Microsoft can provide the default fucking browser that is HUGE. They've had that advantage since Chrome came out. Didn't stop them from losing almost all their market share. >Its multiprocess architecture, by far its most long term scalable feature, was behind Internet Explorer's (they started multiproc trend with, iirc, IE8). Chrome has been technologically ahead of IE since it came out. >Acquire Servo, do better? That's my entire point. Why do we think Servo will be better?

treis 6y ago

> Sure. At the same time, is it really smart for them to just completely abandon the idea of independence? It is. Chrome is so dominant at this point they're the de facto web standard. Other browsers have to put in significant effort just to play catch up and can't really offer any new renderer/js feature without Chrome's blessing. Plus, we have a decade's worth of evidence that Chromium is just flat out better than the competition. Even if we set aside the problems with market share the Chromium team has consistently put out a faster engine than Firefox or IE. Adopting Chromium allows you to (mostly) avoid putting effort into the rendering engine allowing you to focus on other features to differentiate yourself.

staticassertion 6y ago
> Other browsers have to put in significant effort just to play catch up and can't really offer any new renderer/js feature without Chrome's blessing. Microsoft still runs the dominant operating system! They have a huge opportunity here to complete. The same way Chrome advertises on Google.com, Microsoft can provide the default fucking browser that is HUGE. > Plus, we have a decade's worth of evidence that Chromium Chrome is 12 years old. It's been super popular for less than a decade. Its multiprocess architecture, by far its most long term scalable feature, was behind Internet Explorer's (they started multiproc trend with, iirc, IE8). > Even if we set aside the problems with market share the Chromium team has consistently put out a faster engine than Firefox or IE. Acquire Servo, do better? That's my entire point.
- solarkraft 6y ago
  > The same way Chrome advertises on Google.com, Microsoft can provide the default fucking browser that is HUGE And they already do, with a Chromium based browser. > They have a huge opportunity here to complete With what? Maintaining the other browser engine is not that monetizable.
  - staticassertion 6y ago
    Not that monetizable? See my initial post? Google absolutely monetizes the hell out of Chrome, in areas they compete with MS (O365? GSuite?).
    - solarkraft 6y ago
      Google monetizes the hell out of Chrome, the browser. Google doesn't monetize developing Blink/Chromium. Since Edge only uses that part they don't really have to care about Google's monetization and do their own. If Google stops Chromium development or goes the wrong way at some point, which is inevitable, MS will have to step in, but until then it's free real estate. They can build all that proprietary stuff with Chromium just as well, so why should they choose Firefox?
      - staticassertion 6y ago
        > Google doesn't monetize developing Blink/Chromium. I disagree here. Of course they do. They could not monetize Chrome successfully without: a) Having huge amounts of control over the direction of the web b) Having a best-in-class browser that people want to use If IE had every feature of Chrome with regards to management and monetization it would still not matter, people do not want IE. If IE were a drastically better browser than Chrome, they would. Choosing Servo gives them an opportunity to leap ahead of Chrome in areas they care about.
- treis 6y ago
  >Microsoft still runs the dominant operating system! They have a huge opportunity here to complete. The same way Chrome advertises on Google.com, Microsoft can provide the default fucking browser that is HUGE. They've had that advantage since Chrome came out. Didn't stop them from losing almost all their market share. >Its multiprocess architecture, by far its most long term scalable feature, was behind Internet Explorer's (they started multiproc trend with, iirc, IE8). Chrome has been technologically ahead of IE since it came out. >Acquire Servo, do better? That's my entire point. Why do we think Servo will be better?