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Your son wants to be there in person and he is at no danger from the coronavirus... EDIT: *infinitesimal danger

bitxbitxbitcoin 6y ago
That is a lot of assumptions to be making. It's pretty irresponsible to say that someone is at no danger from coronavirus at this point.
- chrisjarvis 6y ago
  if that person is 18-22 years old, given the data, how is it irresponsible?
  - doctor_eval 6y ago
    A 20 year old died of cv this week here in Victoria. Everybody is at risk, it’s just that the curve “favours” older people. You know, like professors, admin staff, mature students, parents and grandparents, ...
    - ketamine__ 6y ago
      Was he obese? I only ask because many of the younger patients have comorbities that make them vulnerable to many diseases. And vaccines don't work as well for the obese either.
      - doctor_eval 6y ago
        It doesn’t matter. The problem is that the people who don’t get sick, make other people sick.
    - paul_f 6y ago
      500 children die of influenza in the US each year. COVID is far less of a threat to young people. We have to make tradeoffs and having kids in college and not at home with parents and grandparents is a good solution
      - doctor_eval 6y ago
        The CDC estimates total deaths from influenza in 2019 was 34,200.[0] 173,000 people have died in the USA this year from Covid 19 and the toll is rising.[1] that’s more than the total number of cases (22,000) in Australia. We got 10% the population of the USA and 0.2% of the deaths. With all due respect, the USA has the worst Covid 19 rates in the entire fucking world. It is a travesty. You guys can say what you like, but your plan is literally killing people. And specifically to your point: Do you think kids teach themselves? Kids are part of families, kids are taught by adults, kids catch busses driven by adults, kids meals are cooked by adults. The death rate of kids is irrelevant. Since kids can still spread the disease, they should be isolated like everyone else. [0] https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/2018-2019.html https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/2018-2019.html [1] https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/ https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/
        paul_f 6y ago
        COVID-19 deaths per 1M population Belgium 857 Peru 796 Spain 612 UK 609 Italy 586 Sweden 573 USA 523
        doctor_eval 6y ago
        You have the highest absolute death rate and the 8th highest rate per capita. Do you realise your list is literally the list of worst hit countries in the world? Look a bit further down... Australia 17.2, Vietnam 0.26, Thailand 0.84, New Zealand 4.5. Indonesia, with a comparable population to the USA but far more densely populated - and far poorer - is just 23.9. The USA, richest country in the world, reserve currency of the world, has the 8th worse death rate in the whole world. That is vile. Meanwhile, your moron in chief is pointing to New Zealand and saying it’s out of control there because they had an “outbreak” of 9 cases. 9! That’s roughly how many new cases the USA has every 18 seconds. There is no excuse for what’s happened in the USA.
Townley 6y ago
You have no reason to believe that their son wants to be there in person. The son may share their parents' safety concerns And claiming that coronavirus poses "no danger" is simply untrue. You can claim that the danger is over-stated, but young adults can and do get COVID-19
- timr 6y ago
  "You can claim that the danger is over-stated, but young adults can and do get COVID-19" Yes, they can, and do. And they are overwhelmingly likely to have nothing more than a mild illness. The danger has been drastically exaggerated. In the US, fewer than 300 people under the age of 25 have died from Covid: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm Moreover, when you look at the data, nearly all of those deaths have significant co-morbidities.
  - Townley 6y ago
    True, but while infected with mild (or no) symptoms, they may also unknowingly spread it to university employees, townsfolk, or their parents while visiting for the weekend. So even assuming that the personal danger is acceptable (which isn't a given; 300 deaths sounds like a horrible and avoidable tragedy to me) death figures among healthy 20-somethings don't capture the full risk of keeping a university open.
    - timr 6y ago
      "So even assuming that the personal danger is acceptable (which isn't a given; 300 deaths sounds like a horrible and avoidable tragedy to me) death figures among healthy 20-somethings don't capture the full risk of keeping a university open." Well now you're shifting the goalposts. The comment was that the students are at risk. Someone shows you that they're not at risk, and you pivot to danger to "townsfolk". Here's the thing: those students don't just disappear, and they don't stop interacting with other college-aged students, townsfolk and employees simply because they're not at school. And if you want to protect parents, shipping their kids off to live on their own seems like a better way to do that than to have those kids living at home. (As far as "avoidable tragedies" go: during the same period that those 300 kids died of covid, literally thousands died of all other causes. More died of accidents than died of Covid. I think it's time to admit that your sense of concern is mis-calibrated.)

That is a lot of assumptions to be making. It's pretty irresponsible to say that someone is at no danger from coronavirus at this point.

chrisjarvis 6y ago
if that person is 18-22 years old, given the data, how is it irresponsible?
- doctor_eval 6y ago
  A 20 year old died of cv this week here in Victoria. Everybody is at risk, it’s just that the curve “favours” older people. You know, like professors, admin staff, mature students, parents and grandparents, ...
  - ketamine__ 6y ago
    Was he obese? I only ask because many of the younger patients have comorbities that make them vulnerable to many diseases. And vaccines don't work as well for the obese either.
    - doctor_eval 6y ago
      It doesn’t matter. The problem is that the people who don’t get sick, make other people sick.
  - paul_f 6y ago
    500 children die of influenza in the US each year. COVID is far less of a threat to young people. We have to make tradeoffs and having kids in college and not at home with parents and grandparents is a good solution
    - doctor_eval 6y ago
      The CDC estimates total deaths from influenza in 2019 was 34,200.[0] 173,000 people have died in the USA this year from Covid 19 and the toll is rising.[1] that’s more than the total number of cases (22,000) in Australia. We got 10% the population of the USA and 0.2% of the deaths. With all due respect, the USA has the worst Covid 19 rates in the entire fucking world. It is a travesty. You guys can say what you like, but your plan is literally killing people. And specifically to your point: Do you think kids teach themselves? Kids are part of families, kids are taught by adults, kids catch busses driven by adults, kids meals are cooked by adults. The death rate of kids is irrelevant. Since kids can still spread the disease, they should be isolated like everyone else. [0] https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/2018-2019.html https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/2018-2019.html [1] https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/ https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/
      - paul_f 6y ago
        COVID-19 deaths per 1M population Belgium 857 Peru 796 Spain 612 UK 609 Italy 586 Sweden 573 USA 523
        doctor_eval 6y ago
        You have the highest absolute death rate and the 8th highest rate per capita. Do you realise your list is literally the list of worst hit countries in the world? Look a bit further down... Australia 17.2, Vietnam 0.26, Thailand 0.84, New Zealand 4.5. Indonesia, with a comparable population to the USA but far more densely populated - and far poorer - is just 23.9. The USA, richest country in the world, reserve currency of the world, has the 8th worse death rate in the whole world. That is vile. Meanwhile, your moron in chief is pointing to New Zealand and saying it’s out of control there because they had an “outbreak” of 9 cases. 9! That’s roughly how many new cases the USA has every 18 seconds. There is no excuse for what’s happened in the USA.

Townley 6y ago

You have no reason to believe that their son wants to be there in person. The son may share their parents' safety concerns And claiming that coronavirus poses "no danger" is simply untrue. You can claim that the danger is over-stated, but young adults can and do get COVID-19

timr 6y ago
"You can claim that the danger is over-stated, but young adults can and do get COVID-19" Yes, they can, and do. And they are overwhelmingly likely to have nothing more than a mild illness. The danger has been drastically exaggerated. In the US, fewer than 300 people under the age of 25 have died from Covid: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm Moreover, when you look at the data, nearly all of those deaths have significant co-morbidities.
- Townley 6y ago
  True, but while infected with mild (or no) symptoms, they may also unknowingly spread it to university employees, townsfolk, or their parents while visiting for the weekend. So even assuming that the personal danger is acceptable (which isn't a given; 300 deaths sounds like a horrible and avoidable tragedy to me) death figures among healthy 20-somethings don't capture the full risk of keeping a university open.
  - timr 6y ago
    "So even assuming that the personal danger is acceptable (which isn't a given; 300 deaths sounds like a horrible and avoidable tragedy to me) death figures among healthy 20-somethings don't capture the full risk of keeping a university open." Well now you're shifting the goalposts. The comment was that the students are at risk. Someone shows you that they're not at risk, and you pivot to danger to "townsfolk". Here's the thing: those students don't just disappear, and they don't stop interacting with other college-aged students, townsfolk and employees simply because they're not at school. And if you want to protect parents, shipping their kids off to live on their own seems like a better way to do that than to have those kids living at home. (As far as "avoidable tragedies" go: during the same period that those 300 kids died of covid, literally thousands died of all other causes. More died of accidents than died of Covid. I think it's time to admit that your sense of concern is mis-calibrated.)