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I feel like I can offer a unique perspective on this because I go to Notre Dame and we are just finishing the first week of classes with everyone back on campus

I feel like I can offer a unique perspective on this because I go to Notre Dame and we are just finishing the first week of classes with everyone back on campus. It's gone alright so far. All the cases so far have been traced back to off campus bars or parties. However, I expect it to get worse soon as cases start spreading on campus. If you want to see how Notre Dame is doing with cases and testing we have a dashboard here: https://here.nd.edu/our-approach/dashboard/ https://here.nd.edu/our-approach/dashboard/ I really hope we can make this work because, as an electrical engineer, most of my classes can't be moved online.

JoshTko 6y ago
So the only way this would work long term is if students on campus don't go to bars to parties?
- celnardur 6y ago
  Yea pretty much. However, I would extend that to off campus students as well because as soon as someone has a really severe case (or dies) then we will probably all be sent home. Also it's not just bars or parties. You also have to worry about other gatherings. If people don't where masks and social distance those can become a problem as well. However, so far people have been mostly responsible with other on campus gatherings.
- stingraycharles 6y ago
  Technically it could work if they keep distance and wear masks, but as it looks like this has proven to be pretty difficult for people aged 20-30 so far, mostly because the impact of COVID for them is fairly low.
- breck 6y ago
  Or it may work because there’s close to zero chance of dying for college students, and we have far more immune people now than we did back in the spring. Sweden’s numbers are looking very interesting right now.
  - roywiggins 6y ago
    Not all college students are 20-30, and not all 20-30 year olds have fully functioning immune systems.
    - glofish 6y ago
      so they should protect themselves and do the lessons online. it makes no sense to limit everyone else
    - mensetmanusman 6y ago
      He never said they were...
  - Daishiman 6y ago
    There's a lot of immunocompromised and obese students and a lot of senior professors and staff.
    - glofish 6y ago
      but is that reason good enough to take away everyone's right to go to college? here is where personal responsibility comes into play. If you are concerned stay home. The university and laws should support you. But the solution is not to punish everyone else, that won't work long term. The sooner people realize that the better. Limiting and collectively taking away people's rights will cause far more trouble long term.
      - Daishiman 6y ago
        Yes, it's a good enough reason when 1% of the population dies and a substantial population has extended long-term symptoms. No, it's not being personally responsible. It's collective responsibility. Personal responsibility in a pandemic is fallacy and idiocy.
      - brendawalsh 6y ago
        Nobody has a right to go to college.
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analog31 6y ago
Everybody at every college is saying that it could work if the students behave themselves when they're not in class. Then in the next breath, they say: It can't work. Oddly enough I went to ND for grad school, though it was many years ago. The campus was isolated from the surrounding town, but not completely isolated.
mertd 6y ago
How do you mean it is going alright? Almost 30 students tested positive last week.
- ketamine__ 6y ago
  Maybe they have mild symptoms?
newtoday 6y ago
I grew up in South Bend, and most of the 'Fighting Irish' near campus bars are way too small for social distancing. Pre-covid, all of them were shoulder to shoulder packed with students and locals. Please be careful celnardur. It's a wonderful place and campus, enjoy your time there.
Balgair 6y ago
The numbers, though very few, seem to fit an exponential well, at least thus far. If you plot and fit the curve to such an exponential, today you should have ~15 cases. Tomorrow ~25 cases. In one week's time, ~380 cases. ND has ~8600 people attending. To get that many cases should be 14 days from today [0], so August 28th. If these trends continue as is, then ND won't make it to September before closing down. Still, the data is sparse. [0] Day 20 is ~6000 cases, day 21 is ~9400 cases, you can round however you'd like.
mxcrossb 6y ago
This just points to the absurdity of the whole situation. I mean in what world should bars be open and universities closed? It’s a complete failure of priorities.
- jachee 6y ago
  You're right. The bars should be closed, too. We should be spending the entire defense budget on paying for people to stay home, stay safe, and to get them what they need; as well as funding as much scientific research as feasible to fight this clear and present danger to our lives and livelihoods.
  - ketamine__ 6y ago
    In what world is a virus that is asymptomatic for 99.9% of the population a clear and present danger to our lives?
    - cbsks 6y ago
      > asymptomatic for 99.9% of the population Source? I didn’t think it was nearly that high.
    - Wowfunhappy 6y ago
      Even the very highest estimates of asymptomatic infection don't put it anywhere near that high, unless you're talking about only the first few days or some such.
    - ps747 6y ago
      That's just not true. The CDC estimates that between 10% and 70% of of cases are asymptomatic with a best estimate of 40%. https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/planning-scenarios.html https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/planning-scena... As we saw in Italy and New York, COVID-19 has the potential to overwhelm hospitals. Officially, almost 170,000 Americans have died. NYTimes estimates that COVID-19 already caused over 200,000 deaths by comparing against the expected number of deaths if we weren't in a pandemic. So yes, COVID-19 is a clear and present danger to our lives.
rosstex 6y ago
That curve ain't flattening
boridu 6y ago
25% positive test rate is terrible!

JoshTko 6y ago

So the only way this would work long term is if students on campus don't go to bars to parties?

celnardur 6y ago
Yea pretty much. However, I would extend that to off campus students as well because as soon as someone has a really severe case (or dies) then we will probably all be sent home. Also it's not just bars or parties. You also have to worry about other gatherings. If people don't where masks and social distance those can become a problem as well. However, so far people have been mostly responsible with other on campus gatherings.
stingraycharles 6y ago
Technically it could work if they keep distance and wear masks, but as it looks like this has proven to be pretty difficult for people aged 20-30 so far, mostly because the impact of COVID for them is fairly low.
breck 6y ago
Or it may work because there’s close to zero chance of dying for college students, and we have far more immune people now than we did back in the spring. Sweden’s numbers are looking very interesting right now.
- roywiggins 6y ago
  Not all college students are 20-30, and not all 20-30 year olds have fully functioning immune systems.
  - glofish 6y ago
    so they should protect themselves and do the lessons online. it makes no sense to limit everyone else
  - mensetmanusman 6y ago
    He never said they were...
- Daishiman 6y ago
  There's a lot of immunocompromised and obese students and a lot of senior professors and staff.
  - glofish 6y ago
    but is that reason good enough to take away everyone's right to go to college? here is where personal responsibility comes into play. If you are concerned stay home. The university and laws should support you. But the solution is not to punish everyone else, that won't work long term. The sooner people realize that the better. Limiting and collectively taking away people's rights will cause far more trouble long term.
    - Daishiman 6y ago
      Yes, it's a good enough reason when 1% of the population dies and a substantial population has extended long-term symptoms. No, it's not being personally responsible. It's collective responsibility. Personal responsibility in a pandemic is fallacy and idiocy.
    - brendawalsh 6y ago
      Nobody has a right to go to college.

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analog31 6y ago

Everybody at every college is saying that it could work if the students behave themselves when they're not in class. Then in the next breath, they say: It can't work. Oddly enough I went to ND for grad school, though it was many years ago. The campus was isolated from the surrounding town, but not completely isolated.

mertd 6y ago

How do you mean it is going alright? Almost 30 students tested positive last week.

ketamine__ 6y ago
Maybe they have mild symptoms?

newtoday 6y ago

I grew up in South Bend, and most of the 'Fighting Irish' near campus bars are way too small for social distancing. Pre-covid, all of them were shoulder to shoulder packed with students and locals. Please be careful celnardur. It's a wonderful place and campus, enjoy your time there.

Balgair 6y ago

The numbers, though very few, seem to fit an exponential well, at least thus far. If you plot and fit the curve to such an exponential, today you should have ~15 cases. Tomorrow ~25 cases. In one week's time, ~380 cases. ND has ~8600 people attending. To get that many cases should be 14 days from today [0], so August 28th. If these trends continue as is, then ND won't make it to September before closing down. Still, the data is sparse. [0] Day 20 is ~6000 cases, day 21 is ~9400 cases, you can round however you'd like.

mxcrossb 6y ago

This just points to the absurdity of the whole situation. I mean in what world should bars be open and universities closed? It’s a complete failure of priorities.

jachee 6y ago
You're right. The bars should be closed, too. We should be spending the entire defense budget on paying for people to stay home, stay safe, and to get them what they need; as well as funding as much scientific research as feasible to fight this clear and present danger to our lives and livelihoods.
- ketamine__ 6y ago
  In what world is a virus that is asymptomatic for 99.9% of the population a clear and present danger to our lives?
  - cbsks 6y ago
    > asymptomatic for 99.9% of the population Source? I didn’t think it was nearly that high.
  - Wowfunhappy 6y ago
    Even the very highest estimates of asymptomatic infection don't put it anywhere near that high, unless you're talking about only the first few days or some such.
  - ps747 6y ago
    That's just not true. The CDC estimates that between 10% and 70% of of cases are asymptomatic with a best estimate of 40%. https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/planning-scenarios.html https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/planning-scena... As we saw in Italy and New York, COVID-19 has the potential to overwhelm hospitals. Officially, almost 170,000 Americans have died. NYTimes estimates that COVID-19 already caused over 200,000 deaths by comparing against the expected number of deaths if we weren't in a pandemic. So yes, COVID-19 is a clear and present danger to our lives.

rosstex 6y ago

That curve ain't flattening

boridu 6y ago

25% positive test rate is terrible!