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Source?

lopmotr 6y ago
Google? I know that sounds rude, but since it's well established, not some fringe theory, it's trivial to find out yourself. Wikipedia has a page on it with references you can dig into. Google also shows a Forbes article if you want lighter reading.
- room500 6y ago
  I asked for your source because most studies have been refuted and I was curious if you found a legitimate one. Pulling up a random link on Google is not helpful to the discussion. The Wikipedia article that you point to refutes it on almost every point... Please point me to the section that supports your claims. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_intelligence https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_intelligence >>> The concept of "race" is a social construct, and "intelligence" has no agreed-upon definition; the validity of IQ tests as a metric for general intelligence is itself disputed. In particular, there is no scientific evidence that the average IQ scores of different racial or ethnic population groups can be attributed to any claimed genetic differences between those groups.
  - lopmotr 6y ago
    I didn't say it was attributed to genetic differences, nor that IQ is a good measure of general intelligence. I didn't even use the word "race" that you're concerned about the definition of. You might be arguing a different point. What are these most studies that have been refuted? Can you tell me the number or the percentage or a big list of refuted studies along with a shorter list of non-refuted ones, or anything to show that's a real fact and you're not just repeating what activists have told you. Make sure it's not a trick like counting mostly 100 year old studies which could be greater in number allowing you to ignore everything from the last couple of decades. That might make true but also misleading.
    - room500 6y ago
      I am not concerned about the definition of race - that was a direct quote from the Wikipedia article that you pointed me to. Somehow the goalposts got reversed and I am now responsible for disproving your theory. Let's go back to the original post. You made an assertion and I asked for a source because I was genuinely curious where you were drawing conclusions from. You then linked me to Wikipedia and I stated that all of the studies on that page are refuted (not abstractly... directly refuted in the Wikipedia article). Can you provide a source?
      - lopmotr 6y ago
        Here's some I found from a quick search: The same article says "In the US, generally individuals identifying themselves as Asian tend to score higher on IQ tests than Caucasians" Where does it say that it's refuted? "Do the differences in I. Q. scores between blacks and whites have a genetic basis?" https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/intelligence-and-race/ https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/intelligence-and-... "Yes. there are differences in measured IQ between various ‘races’." https://www.forbes.com/sites/quora/2019/08/14/statistics-show-iq-disparities-between-races-heres-what-that-really-means/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/quora/2019/08/14/statistics-sho... "Generally, Black people, White people, and East Asian people have different average IQs, but the specific reasons for this remain controversial." https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6526420/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6526420/ "The IQ debate became worldwide in scope when it was shown that East Asians scored higher on IQ tests than did Whites, both within the United States and in Asia, even though IQ tests were developed for use in the Euro American culture" https://www1.udel.edu/educ/gottfredson/30years/Rushton-Jensen30years.pdf https://www1.udel.edu/educ/gottfredson/30years/Rushton-Jense... You might not like the author of that one but it's in term cited to someone else. "The top 10 countries by average IQ are: 1. Hong Kong (108) 2. Singapore (108) 3. South Korea (106) 4. China (105) 5. Japan (105) 6. Taiwan (105)" [7+ is where non-Asian countries appear.] https://www.healthline.com/health/average-iq#average-iq https://www.healthline.com/health/average-iq#average-iq I can't actually find anything saying there are no such differences, whether for Asians or anyone. Can you? For something that's so refuted, why didn't even The Guardian bother to mention it when they're trying so hard to oppose that kind of idea?https://www.theguardian.com/science/blog/2018/may/02/why-genetic-iq-differences-between-races-are-unlikely https://www.theguardian.com/science/blog/2018/may/02/why-gen... Remember, your claim is that all of these are wrong and most of the studies they're based on have been refuted. There is disagreement among researchers about the causes of the differences, but not about their existence. I think you're confusing the two.

Source?

Google? I know that sounds rude, but since it's well established, not some fringe theory, it's trivial to find out yourself. Wikipedia has a page on it with references you can dig into. Google also shows a Forbes article if you want lighter reading.

room500 6y ago
I asked for your source because most studies have been refuted and I was curious if you found a legitimate one. Pulling up a random link on Google is not helpful to the discussion. The Wikipedia article that you point to refutes it on almost every point... Please point me to the section that supports your claims. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_intelligence https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_intelligence >>> The concept of "race" is a social construct, and "intelligence" has no agreed-upon definition; the validity of IQ tests as a metric for general intelligence is itself disputed. In particular, there is no scientific evidence that the average IQ scores of different racial or ethnic population groups can be attributed to any claimed genetic differences between those groups.
- lopmotr 6y ago
  I didn't say it was attributed to genetic differences, nor that IQ is a good measure of general intelligence. I didn't even use the word "race" that you're concerned about the definition of. You might be arguing a different point. What are these most studies that have been refuted? Can you tell me the number or the percentage or a big list of refuted studies along with a shorter list of non-refuted ones, or anything to show that's a real fact and you're not just repeating what activists have told you. Make sure it's not a trick like counting mostly 100 year old studies which could be greater in number allowing you to ignore everything from the last couple of decades. That might make true but also misleading.
  - room500 6y ago
    I am not concerned about the definition of race - that was a direct quote from the Wikipedia article that you pointed me to. Somehow the goalposts got reversed and I am now responsible for disproving your theory. Let's go back to the original post. You made an assertion and I asked for a source because I was genuinely curious where you were drawing conclusions from. You then linked me to Wikipedia and I stated that all of the studies on that page are refuted (not abstractly... directly refuted in the Wikipedia article). Can you provide a source?
    - lopmotr 6y ago
      Here's some I found from a quick search: The same article says "In the US, generally individuals identifying themselves as Asian tend to score higher on IQ tests than Caucasians" Where does it say that it's refuted? "Do the differences in I. Q. scores between blacks and whites have a genetic basis?" https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/intelligence-and-race/ https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/intelligence-and-... "Yes. there are differences in measured IQ between various ‘races’." https://www.forbes.com/sites/quora/2019/08/14/statistics-show-iq-disparities-between-races-heres-what-that-really-means/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/quora/2019/08/14/statistics-sho... "Generally, Black people, White people, and East Asian people have different average IQs, but the specific reasons for this remain controversial." https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6526420/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6526420/ "The IQ debate became worldwide in scope when it was shown that East Asians scored higher on IQ tests than did Whites, both within the United States and in Asia, even though IQ tests were developed for use in the Euro American culture" https://www1.udel.edu/educ/gottfredson/30years/Rushton-Jensen30years.pdf https://www1.udel.edu/educ/gottfredson/30years/Rushton-Jense... You might not like the author of that one but it's in term cited to someone else. "The top 10 countries by average IQ are: 1. Hong Kong (108) 2. Singapore (108) 3. South Korea (106) 4. China (105) 5. Japan (105) 6. Taiwan (105)" [7+ is where non-Asian countries appear.] https://www.healthline.com/health/average-iq#average-iq https://www.healthline.com/health/average-iq#average-iq I can't actually find anything saying there are no such differences, whether for Asians or anyone. Can you? For something that's so refuted, why didn't even The Guardian bother to mention it when they're trying so hard to oppose that kind of idea?https://www.theguardian.com/science/blog/2018/may/02/why-genetic-iq-differences-between-races-are-unlikely https://www.theguardian.com/science/blog/2018/may/02/why-gen... Remember, your claim is that all of these are wrong and most of the studies they're based on have been refuted. There is disagreement among researchers about the causes of the differences, but not about their existence. I think you're confusing the two.