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Tangential but something that have been buging me for a while - these type events are not enough brought in to the equation when EVs are compared to ICEs. I us
by jordanbeiber 6y ago
Tangential but something that have been buging me for a while - these type events are not enough brought in to the equation when EVs are compared to ICEs.
I usually get comparisons to the refined gas/diesel with the whole process of the battery.
Not saying batteries are great for the environment, but we have had so many leaks during the years. Deep horizon is still leaking and where almost at 1.000.000 m3 if I recall correctly.
At least with batteries the pollution is kept more localized, which I believe is to be preferred.
- kortilla 6y agoOil extraction issues comes up all of the time in the discussion of fossil fuels vs electric.
- jordanbeiber 6y agoMaybe not enough or frequent on a higher level such as in regular/mainstream news then. Being an early owner of EVs I’ve had to explain my rationale many times to people, where oil spills is one part obviously.
- theshrike79 6y agoThe Anti-EV crowd tends to include everything starting from the diet of the mine workers digging up the metals needed from the batteries into the emissions of the EV. They tend not to include the environmental effects of oil drilling and transportation into the figures for ICE cars. Double standards and all that.
- fomine3 6y agoMassive batteries on EV is another dangerous parts. Anyway it's off topic. Leakage from oil tanker accident is unrelated to leakage from ICEs accident. Reducing importing oil by EV would be on topic.
- jordanbeiber 6y agoWell the gas doesn’t magically appear at the station...
- fluffy87 6y agoWait till all the used Tesla’s get resold in poor countries and all those batteries end up in rivers and the ocean.
- jordanbeiber 6y agoBy that time these countries all have a stable power supply for EV, and we together enforce an improved recycling technology & policy. If they reach a point where it makes sense to buy teslas, we’re all good! We who buy teslas (I’m not though. Out of my league) today have a responsibility in this world, IMO. NOT because we can and buy teslas, but because we are super rich. We have to use this wealth better, set examples and improve technology and our ways of living.
- raxxorrax 6y agoYou are not super rich, you cannot even buy a Tesla. That aside, you are correct though.
- speedgoose 6y agoI think he was referring to his society not himself personally.
- jordanbeiber 6y agoThis was not meant about me as an individual, but... I’ve got way more than I need in life. Riches should be judged differently - I have a really nice home in an somewhat expensive city, clean tap water, comparatively clean air and access to all the healthy food I can ever want. Also great healthcare and schooling, cause welfare state and all that. Let’s start there. I could buy a tesla if I really really wanted to, but there’s no need. I’d have to take a car loan, but most who buy a tesla do I reckon. A car half the price suits my needs, and no loans. This means I’m comparatively super rich.
- rlonn 6y agoIf the people who could afford Teslas had not bought them, Tesla would have failed as a car company. VW and others would then not be interested in electrification today, and the environment would have been a lot worse off in the long run. Few would argue that Tesla hasn't significantly sped up the transition towards electric cars. It's easy to fall into the trap of underestimating (or completely forgetting about) effects that are hard to quantify and/or are long-term.