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That's quite the conspiracy theory. Republicans are generally against mail-in ballots because they are subject to all sorts of interference. Some elections come

That's quite the conspiracy theory. Republicans are generally against mail-in ballots because they are subject to all sorts of interference. Some elections come down to a few hundred votes. As for USPS being a political football...it's a government service.

salusinarduis 6y ago
It's not a conspiracy. Fox news has been running content for years characterizing USPS as a mismanaged business that needs to be privatized.
- chrisco255 6y ago
  Have they? Did one of their contributors have that opinion? Is that a crime? I'm guessing youve never met a libertarian. That's a huge stretch from using the USPS to rig an election. Both sides are accusing the other of trying to take advantage of the sudden surge in interest in mail-in voting. edit reply: you can't on the one hand argue that mail is a reliable way to run an election and on the other argue that a politician is trying to use it for their advantage. Not giving up, he didn't say he was using it. He said the Democrats would use it. Either way, these arguments underscore just how hackable and exploitable mail in voting is.
  - CamperBob2 6y ago
    That's a huge stretch from using the USPS to rig an election. He admitted it on TV. Give it up.
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joshAg 6y ago
and yet trump just admitted exactly that: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/aug/13/donald-trump-usps-post-office-election-funding https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/aug/13/donald-trump...
- chrisco255 6y ago
  He wants to make it harder to vote by mail to prevent fraud, not to create it. You know, elections sometimes come down to a few hundred votes. You think the USPS should control the outcome of an election based on how many parcels they misplace? Or how many dead people vote? Or how many non-citizens vote? Or whether a box of ballots in a republican heavy or Democrat heavy area is left behind? It would be trivial to fuck with this system. The last election it was difficult to convince people that Russian bots were not a factor in the election. People were convinced that $100K in social media ad spend were enough to shift an election. Now all of a sudden mail in paper ballots are a bulletproof way to run a democracy.
  - joshAg 6y ago
    “They need that money in order to have the post office work so it can take all of these millions and millions of ballots,” Trump said in an interview with Fox Business’s Maria Bartiromo. “If they don’t get those two items, that means you can’t have universal mail-in voting because they’re not equipped to have it.” “If we don’t make a deal that means they don’t get the money. That means they can’t have universal mail-in voting. They just can’t have it. Sort of a crazy thing,” He is explicitly trying to remove the USPS's ability to handle voting by mail.
    - chrisco255 6y ago
      No I read the postmasters comments. Parcel volume is way down for the post office while packages are up. They are reallocating resources for handling more packages. The USPS parcel business has largely been reduced to junk mail that no one wants.
      - joshAg 6y ago
        We're not talking about what the postmaster said. We're not talking about parcel volume. We're not talking about package volume. We're not talking about resource reallocation. We're talking about what trump said. Trump said the post office needs two bills that fund it to be passed for it to be able to adequately handle universal vote by mails, and if he doesn't make a deal with the people trying to pass those bills, then the post office doesn't get the money it needs to be able to do that: >>> “If we don’t make a deal that means they don’t get the money. That means they can’t have universal mail-in voting. They just can’t have it. Sort of a crazy thing,” Trump said on Thursday.
seppin 6y ago
> against mail-in ballots because they are subject to all sorts of interference. Quite the opposite, mail in ballots create an irrefutable and unfalsifiable paper trail for each vote. Republicans (and Trump) are against them because they know the more people vote (ie. the more democratic America is) the less chance they have at winning.

salusinarduis 6y ago

It's not a conspiracy. Fox news has been running content for years characterizing USPS as a mismanaged business that needs to be privatized.

chrisco255 6y ago
Have they? Did one of their contributors have that opinion? Is that a crime? I'm guessing youve never met a libertarian. That's a huge stretch from using the USPS to rig an election. Both sides are accusing the other of trying to take advantage of the sudden surge in interest in mail-in voting. edit reply: you can't on the one hand argue that mail is a reliable way to run an election and on the other argue that a politician is trying to use it for their advantage. Not giving up, he didn't say he was using it. He said the Democrats would use it. Either way, these arguments underscore just how hackable and exploitable mail in voting is.
- CamperBob2 6y ago
  That's a huge stretch from using the USPS to rig an election. He admitted it on TV. Give it up.

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joshAg 6y ago

and yet trump just admitted exactly that: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/aug/13/donald-trump-usps-post-office-election-funding https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/aug/13/donald-trump...

chrisco255 6y ago
He wants to make it harder to vote by mail to prevent fraud, not to create it. You know, elections sometimes come down to a few hundred votes. You think the USPS should control the outcome of an election based on how many parcels they misplace? Or how many dead people vote? Or how many non-citizens vote? Or whether a box of ballots in a republican heavy or Democrat heavy area is left behind? It would be trivial to fuck with this system. The last election it was difficult to convince people that Russian bots were not a factor in the election. People were convinced that $100K in social media ad spend were enough to shift an election. Now all of a sudden mail in paper ballots are a bulletproof way to run a democracy.
- joshAg 6y ago
  “They need that money in order to have the post office work so it can take all of these millions and millions of ballots,” Trump said in an interview with Fox Business’s Maria Bartiromo. “If they don’t get those two items, that means you can’t have universal mail-in voting because they’re not equipped to have it.” “If we don’t make a deal that means they don’t get the money. That means they can’t have universal mail-in voting. They just can’t have it. Sort of a crazy thing,” He is explicitly trying to remove the USPS's ability to handle voting by mail.
  - chrisco255 6y ago
    No I read the postmasters comments. Parcel volume is way down for the post office while packages are up. They are reallocating resources for handling more packages. The USPS parcel business has largely been reduced to junk mail that no one wants.
    - joshAg 6y ago
      We're not talking about what the postmaster said. We're not talking about parcel volume. We're not talking about package volume. We're not talking about resource reallocation. We're talking about what trump said. Trump said the post office needs two bills that fund it to be passed for it to be able to adequately handle universal vote by mails, and if he doesn't make a deal with the people trying to pass those bills, then the post office doesn't get the money it needs to be able to do that: >>> “If we don’t make a deal that means they don’t get the money. That means they can’t have universal mail-in voting. They just can’t have it. Sort of a crazy thing,” Trump said on Thursday.

seppin 6y ago

> against mail-in ballots because they are subject to all sorts of interference. Quite the opposite, mail in ballots create an irrefutable and unfalsifiable paper trail for each vote. Republicans (and Trump) are against them because they know the more people vote (ie. the more democratic America is) the less chance they have at winning.