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The LXC/LXD folks at Canonical are doing great work with adding kernel features for namespaces etc. I think the "problem" is that Canonical has figured out - c

by geofft 6y ago

The LXC/LXD folks at Canonical are doing great work with adding kernel features for namespaces etc. I think the "problem" is that Canonical has figured out - correctly - that all their worthwhile stuff needs to be done upstream of Ubuntu. Even their packagers know to try to get things in Debian first and to reduce diffs when they can. Unfortunately, that means that the unique Ubuntu secret sauce is all the weird stuff that no upstream wants, and if you're in no hurry to upgrade, you may as well run Debian. This is pretty good for the world but I worry about the sustainability of Canonical as a company. I'm worried they'll end up like Mozilla - senior management finally realizes that doing excellent technical work in upstream communities isn't a net positive for their bottom line and has no idea how to remediate that other than layoffs.

freedomben 6y ago
I got so excited about LXD ... until I found out it requires snap. My first "cup of ubuntu" was well over 10 years ago now and I've always wanted to see it succeed. It's repeated squandering of so much potential. Edit: I was referring to LXD usage on Ubuntu-20.04 and versions going forward (I should have made that clear in the post). Sure, snap isn't technically required since you can "change distros" or "compile it yourself." Those just aren't great options IMHO (and doubly sad since I'm using the distro of the company that makes the product and the better experience is on another distro).
- jamesponddotco 6y ago
  It does not require snap, it is just the default way to install it. You can compile it yourself, or check the repositories of your distro of choice otherwise. I think Arch has it in their repositories, for example.
  - mixmastamyk 6y ago
    Doesn't look convenient due to this: lxd - Transitional package - lxd -> snap (lxd)
  - kevin_b_er 6y ago
    On ubuntu it requires snap if you want it prepackaged.
    - jamesponddotco 6y ago
      Sure, but that does not mean you cannot run LXD on Ubuntu without Snap. I compile new versions, test it out in staging, and then ship the update to production servers, which is currently a mix of Ubuntu, and OpenSUSE. Do not get me wrong, I do not like snap (or flatpak for that matter), and would much prefer if LXD was available through a PPA, or the default Ubuntu repositories, but LXD itself does not require snap, it is just the default distribution method.
- CameronNemo 6y ago
  The following distros package LXD: * Void Linux * Alpine Linux * Arch Linux * NixOS * openSUSE * Gentoo There could be more. None of those distributors are using Snaps for LXD.
- 8K832d7tNmiQ 6y ago
  What do you mean by requiring snap to install LXD? even Arch Linux listed it in their default repo.[0] [0]:https://www.archlinux.org/packages/community/x86_64/lxd/ https://www.archlinux.org/packages/community/x86_64/lxd/
xet7 6y ago
LXC/LXD is very cool. With it, it's possible run many copies of same server Snap like Wekan https://wekan.github.io https://wekan.github.io at same server: https://github.com/wekan/wekan-snap/wiki/Many-Snaps-on-LXC https://github.com/wekan/wekan-snap/wiki/Many-Snaps-on-LXC

by geofft 6y ago

freedomben 6y ago

I got so excited about LXD ... until I found out it requires snap. My first "cup of ubuntu" was well over 10 years ago now and I've always wanted to see it succeed. It's repeated squandering of so much potential. Edit: I was referring to LXD usage on Ubuntu-20.04 and versions going forward (I should have made that clear in the post). Sure, snap isn't technically required since you can "change distros" or "compile it yourself." Those just aren't great options IMHO (and doubly sad since I'm using the distro of the company that makes the product and the better experience is on another distro).

jamesponddotco 6y ago
It does not require snap, it is just the default way to install it. You can compile it yourself, or check the repositories of your distro of choice otherwise. I think Arch has it in their repositories, for example.
- mixmastamyk 6y ago
  Doesn't look convenient due to this: lxd - Transitional package - lxd -> snap (lxd)
- kevin_b_er 6y ago
  On ubuntu it requires snap if you want it prepackaged.
  - jamesponddotco 6y ago
    Sure, but that does not mean you cannot run LXD on Ubuntu without Snap. I compile new versions, test it out in staging, and then ship the update to production servers, which is currently a mix of Ubuntu, and OpenSUSE. Do not get me wrong, I do not like snap (or flatpak for that matter), and would much prefer if LXD was available through a PPA, or the default Ubuntu repositories, but LXD itself does not require snap, it is just the default distribution method.
CameronNemo 6y ago
The following distros package LXD: * Void Linux * Alpine Linux * Arch Linux * NixOS * openSUSE * Gentoo There could be more. None of those distributors are using Snaps for LXD.
8K832d7tNmiQ 6y ago
What do you mean by requiring snap to install LXD? even Arch Linux listed it in their default repo.[0] [0]:https://www.archlinux.org/packages/community/x86_64/lxd/ https://www.archlinux.org/packages/community/x86_64/lxd/

xet7 6y ago

LXC/LXD is very cool. With it, it's possible run many copies of same server Snap like Wekan https://wekan.github.io https://wekan.github.io at same server: https://github.com/wekan/wekan-snap/wiki/Many-Snaps-on-LXC https://github.com/wekan/wekan-snap/wiki/Many-Snaps-on-LXC