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Did they even hang bears?

32 points by diodorus 6y ago

neonate 6y ago
https://archive.is/cnBqC https://archive.is/cnBqC
nickreese 6y ago
If you dig viking history this is a worthwhile read. I almost skipped it. Glad I didn't.
bacon_waffle 6y ago
In 1916, they hung an elephant in Erwin, Tennessee. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erwin,_Tennessee https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erwin,_Tennessee
- lvturner 6y ago
  "Erwin has a dark chapter in its history. A group of its white citizens committed an extra-legal “banishment," a violent incident that took place in 1918 and involved the murder of a black man and the violent, forcible eviction of all other black citizens from the town by a white mob." Why does the fact that a traveling circus visiting Erwin once executed an Elephant, get more page space than this throw away sentence at the bottom of the introduction?
  - pwdisswordfish0 6y ago
    Because the elephant thing is unique and the racism thing is common?
kevin_thibedeau 6y ago
"Please enable Javascript to read the full article" No. Go learn how HTML works.
- kstrauser 6y ago
  I was with you until about 2009, but I’d be surprised if much of the modern web worked without Javascript anymore.
  - jhardy54 6y ago
    That's fine, but I'm not running JS unless there's a reason for the app to use JS. This is a document, not an application, and developers who can't do progressive enhancement on simple HTML documents are the ones stuck in 2009.
    - kstrauser 6y ago
      They’re almost all applications now. We lost the fight. There’s zero incentive for a develop to spend more than zero time making a website degrade gracefully today. I use Gemini (https://gemini.circumlunar.space/ https://gemini.circumlunar.space/) today when I want to enjoy an unscripted Internet. You should check it out - it’s fun! But the web is no longer static HTML, however much I often wish it was.
      - jhardy54 6y ago
        > They’re almost all applications now. We lost the fight. Please reconsider! I've been using uBlock Origin to disable JavaScript by default, opting into enabling it when I want to (just like camera and microphone permissions). The vast majority of websites work fine, and many work better because they don't have pop-ups for cookie consent, unsolicited chat bubbles, or "wait don't leave yet" crap. > There’s zero incentive for a develop to spend more than zero time making a website degrade gracefully today. I couldn't dksagree more. Not everyone is an able-bodied software developer with a 2020 Macbook Pro and Google Chrome. We should continue making websites for everyone. > But the web is no longer static HTML, however much I often wish it was. You're right, but JavaScript is still completely optional for the vast majority of websites (and I'd argue that we should keep it that way). Just because a few websites need camera permissions doesn't mean that we should give every website access to our camera -- why should we have a different stance on JavaScript that usually degrades our experience instead of improves it?

32 points by diodorus 6y ago

neonate 6y ago

https://archive.is/cnBqC https://archive.is/cnBqC

nickreese 6y ago

If you dig viking history this is a worthwhile read. I almost skipped it. Glad I didn't.

bacon_waffle 6y ago

In 1916, they hung an elephant in Erwin, Tennessee. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erwin,_Tennessee https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erwin,_Tennessee

lvturner 6y ago
"Erwin has a dark chapter in its history. A group of its white citizens committed an extra-legal “banishment," a violent incident that took place in 1918 and involved the murder of a black man and the violent, forcible eviction of all other black citizens from the town by a white mob." Why does the fact that a traveling circus visiting Erwin once executed an Elephant, get more page space than this throw away sentence at the bottom of the introduction?
- pwdisswordfish0 6y ago
  Because the elephant thing is unique and the racism thing is common?

kevin_thibedeau 6y ago

"Please enable Javascript to read the full article" No. Go learn how HTML works.

kstrauser 6y ago
I was with you until about 2009, but I’d be surprised if much of the modern web worked without Javascript anymore.
- jhardy54 6y ago
  That's fine, but I'm not running JS unless there's a reason for the app to use JS. This is a document, not an application, and developers who can't do progressive enhancement on simple HTML documents are the ones stuck in 2009.
  - kstrauser 6y ago
    They’re almost all applications now. We lost the fight. There’s zero incentive for a develop to spend more than zero time making a website degrade gracefully today. I use Gemini (https://gemini.circumlunar.space/ https://gemini.circumlunar.space/) today when I want to enjoy an unscripted Internet. You should check it out - it’s fun! But the web is no longer static HTML, however much I often wish it was.
    - jhardy54 6y ago
      > They’re almost all applications now. We lost the fight. Please reconsider! I've been using uBlock Origin to disable JavaScript by default, opting into enabling it when I want to (just like camera and microphone permissions). The vast majority of websites work fine, and many work better because they don't have pop-ups for cookie consent, unsolicited chat bubbles, or "wait don't leave yet" crap. > There’s zero incentive for a develop to spend more than zero time making a website degrade gracefully today. I couldn't dksagree more. Not everyone is an able-bodied software developer with a 2020 Macbook Pro and Google Chrome. We should continue making websites for everyone. > But the web is no longer static HTML, however much I often wish it was. You're right, but JavaScript is still completely optional for the vast majority of websites (and I'd argue that we should keep it that way). Just because a few websites need camera permissions doesn't mean that we should give every website access to our camera -- why should we have a different stance on JavaScript that usually degrades our experience instead of improves it?