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Tha fact those ex-colleagues and friends who bought and use iPhone in the first place indciates they are not generally a nationalist person. The reason they bou

Tha fact those ex-colleagues and friends who bought and use iPhone in the first place indciates they are not generally a nationalist person. The reason they bought Huawei is because they realized when the US is banning Huawei, while China is not banning Apple, that is simply not fair, the US is not what it claims to be, or what they thought it to be. To be clear, I don't think it's fair either.

seanmcdirmid 6y ago
Or they could have been worried about not being seen as nationalistic to their peers and bosses, even if they aren’t that nationalistic themselves. A lot of nationalism in China is derived from social and peer pressure.
- Aperocky 6y ago
  > despite being outside of China Yeah that doesn't seem to be the case.
  - seanmcdirmid 6y ago
    Peer pressure from other Chinese still exists especially outside of China, but it is more likely they felt nationalism since they were abroad and it wasn't being forced down their throat everyday. The best way to make kids hate Mao is to force them to take a class on him.
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resdeterr 6y ago
But every major US tech company is banned or blocked from competing in China, isn’t it? and has been for a decade or more. Apple is the one exception. In which direction do they think the current situation is unfair? (to be clear, I’m not sure whether I agree with it or not, but it seems like a strange thing to focus on exclusively)
- Barrin92 6y ago
  >But every major US tech company is banned or blocked from competing in China, isn’t it? Nope, Microsoft operates in China, so does IBM, Uber did before the Chinese branch was acquired by Didi (they weren't banned, just outcompeted). China is funnily enough even facebook's second largest market by revenue (about 5 billion) from Chinese advertisers. Google probably could operate in China and I guess doesn't because it fears American backlash. Doing business in China is arguably more complicated for American tech firms than the other way around, but American companies are most definitely not blanked banned or anything.
  - blackrock 6y ago
    That news surprised me. $5 billion USD a year in revenue is a lot of money. Even for Facebook. They are just printing money from their China business. Now, imagine if Trump told Zuck that Facebook couldn’t do any more transactions with China. That deserves a LOL..
- beaunative 6y ago
  I'd say more like every websites large enough that won't censor contents towards the liking of the Chinese government for their service within China got banned. It's not an action against companies, but rather websites (as a form of media). Those companies can and are doing business in China, Facebook have sales agencies, Google have multiple offices and sales agencies, while the US quite literally banned Huawei as a company from doing business with anyone in the US.
- boznz 6y ago
  google, facebook and twitter and any free speech platforms are banned, but non-chinese companies can set up manufacturing I think as long as there is part local control (I think I remember 50% for car companies) Definitely not a level playing field though.

seanmcdirmid 6y ago

Or they could have been worried about not being seen as nationalistic to their peers and bosses, even if they aren’t that nationalistic themselves. A lot of nationalism in China is derived from social and peer pressure.

Aperocky 6y ago
> despite being outside of China Yeah that doesn't seem to be the case.
- seanmcdirmid 6y ago
  Peer pressure from other Chinese still exists especially outside of China, but it is more likely they felt nationalism since they were abroad and it wasn't being forced down their throat everyday. The best way to make kids hate Mao is to force them to take a class on him.

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resdeterr 6y ago

But every major US tech company is banned or blocked from competing in China, isn’t it? and has been for a decade or more. Apple is the one exception. In which direction do they think the current situation is unfair? (to be clear, I’m not sure whether I agree with it or not, but it seems like a strange thing to focus on exclusively)

Barrin92 6y ago
>But every major US tech company is banned or blocked from competing in China, isn’t it? Nope, Microsoft operates in China, so does IBM, Uber did before the Chinese branch was acquired by Didi (they weren't banned, just outcompeted). China is funnily enough even facebook's second largest market by revenue (about 5 billion) from Chinese advertisers. Google probably could operate in China and I guess doesn't because it fears American backlash. Doing business in China is arguably more complicated for American tech firms than the other way around, but American companies are most definitely not blanked banned or anything.
- blackrock 6y ago
  That news surprised me. $5 billion USD a year in revenue is a lot of money. Even for Facebook. They are just printing money from their China business. Now, imagine if Trump told Zuck that Facebook couldn’t do any more transactions with China. That deserves a LOL..
beaunative 6y ago
I'd say more like every websites large enough that won't censor contents towards the liking of the Chinese government for their service within China got banned. It's not an action against companies, but rather websites (as a form of media). Those companies can and are doing business in China, Facebook have sales agencies, Google have multiple offices and sales agencies, while the US quite literally banned Huawei as a company from doing business with anyone in the US.
boznz 6y ago
google, facebook and twitter and any free speech platforms are banned, but non-chinese companies can set up manufacturing I think as long as there is part local control (I think I remember 50% for car companies) Definitely not a level playing field though.