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Why does China doing something make it ok for the US to do it too?

by ladberg 6y ago

ponker 6y ago
Because if you keep trying to take the "high road" you'll keep losing your IP and getting nothing for it.
- krageon 6y ago
  You do gain something, namely you don't become the same as the people you're implying are worse than you. If everyone is on the same level, nobody is an improvement over anyone else and the contrast is a purely cosmetic one.
- cortesoft 6y ago
  If you want to do something about Chinese business practices, than do something within the constraints of the law. If TikTok wins, it means that we didn't follow our own laws. Either change the laws or follow the current ones.
  - drevil-v2 6y ago
    What laws are those?
    - cortesoft 6y ago
      Whichever ones TikTok is using to sue? Either they have a case or they don’t, but they still deserve their day in court.
  - DetroitThrow 6y ago
    The executive branch's broad authority to regulate foreign commerce has been a constitutional privilege from the beginning - Jefferson strongly advocated for it, for example. Only legislation would disallow this order from going through.
    - cortesoft 6y ago
      Then the lawsuit will fail, and the system works. What is the problem, then?
      - DetroitThrow 6y ago
        Even when the judiciary system works as it's supposed to, that doesn't necessarily mean that justice is being fairly delivered, which would mean there is a problem with the law itself. I think detractors here are misunderstanding what is currently the law and what they think should be the law, in this case.
- puranjay 6y ago
  No, by taking the "high road" and valuing freedom and rights, you get global influence and alliances that are worth far, far more in the long run than any short-term profits your IP might get you. You don't get world-class talent moving to your country by being a totalitarian state. You get it by valuing individual rights and freedom. I'm amazed at the short-term thinking behind these moves - and the fact that HN, of all places, is cheering it
  - cocktailpeanuts 6y ago
    That only worked when China was a small country economically. Once China passes the U.S. and becomes the #1 economic superpower, none of this matters. These small fish "allies" are not really important. > I'm amazed at the short-term thinking behind these moves - and the fact that HN, of all places, is cheering it Everything you said here we already know. What you don't realize is the world is going through an invisible war right now at a scale of world war 3. These first world country people have never lived a difficult life so they just think everything will be all right just because it's been all right through their entire life. When China gains its dominance by bullying the rest of the world and the rest of the world just trying to "take the high road", they will realize there's no longer anything they can do about the situation because the Chinese economy has become too strong. This is why countries like India are taking the same route already (They were the ones who banned TikTok first). There is no permanent "ally" in the world politics. If you naively think "taking the high road" will win you allies even if it means losing your power, you should study history and learn to see long term.
  - itsoktocry 6y ago
    >No, by taking the "high road" and valuing freedom and rights, you get global influence and alliances that are worth far How can anyone paying attention to global politics for the past 20 years claim this? >I'm amazed at the short-term thinking behind these moves The short-term thinking was Western companies doing everything in their power to appease the CCP in order to gain access to a huge market.
  - sumedh 6y ago
    > you get global influence and alliances The US already has that. > You don't get world-class talent moving to your country by being a totalitarian state Which is why immigrants prefer US to China, banning tic tok is not going to change that.
- baconandeggs 6y ago
  You don't have to give your IP away. US "business" men willingly gave the Chinese their IP in exchange for cheap labor. You don't have to do that, that is not the only other option. Enforcing current laws is enough. And if it's not, IF, you enact new constitutional laws.
  - ponker 6y ago
    The best time to have banned US corporations from handing IP to China would have been 40 years ago. The next best time is now. And TikTok has nothing to do with any of this, TikTok's "ban" is just the latest random outburst from an insufferable moron.
- ulfw 6y ago
  What is it the US of A is now "getting"?
sbmthakur 6y ago
US companies get access to one market while Chinese companies get access to both markets. While this isn't exactly fair, I don't think Americans are bothered by this. But I guess that won't be the case when most of the Americans get used to a Chinese app and criticism of the CCP is suppressed.
- cocktailpeanuts 6y ago
  I assure you, all american entrepreneurs are deeply bothered by this. Uber lost in China mainly because of this.
- mytailorisrich 6y ago
  Which American companies are actually banned/blocked in China because they are American companies?

Why does China doing something make it ok for the US to do it too?

ponker 6y ago

Because if you keep trying to take the "high road" you'll keep losing your IP and getting nothing for it.

krageon 6y ago
You do gain something, namely you don't become the same as the people you're implying are worse than you. If everyone is on the same level, nobody is an improvement over anyone else and the contrast is a purely cosmetic one.
cortesoft 6y ago
If you want to do something about Chinese business practices, than do something within the constraints of the law. If TikTok wins, it means that we didn't follow our own laws. Either change the laws or follow the current ones.
- drevil-v2 6y ago
  What laws are those?
  - cortesoft 6y ago
    Whichever ones TikTok is using to sue? Either they have a case or they don’t, but they still deserve their day in court.
- DetroitThrow 6y ago
  The executive branch's broad authority to regulate foreign commerce has been a constitutional privilege from the beginning - Jefferson strongly advocated for it, for example. Only legislation would disallow this order from going through.
  - cortesoft 6y ago
    Then the lawsuit will fail, and the system works. What is the problem, then?
    - DetroitThrow 6y ago
      Even when the judiciary system works as it's supposed to, that doesn't necessarily mean that justice is being fairly delivered, which would mean there is a problem with the law itself. I think detractors here are misunderstanding what is currently the law and what they think should be the law, in this case.
puranjay 6y ago
No, by taking the "high road" and valuing freedom and rights, you get global influence and alliances that are worth far, far more in the long run than any short-term profits your IP might get you. You don't get world-class talent moving to your country by being a totalitarian state. You get it by valuing individual rights and freedom. I'm amazed at the short-term thinking behind these moves - and the fact that HN, of all places, is cheering it
- cocktailpeanuts 6y ago
  That only worked when China was a small country economically. Once China passes the U.S. and becomes the #1 economic superpower, none of this matters. These small fish "allies" are not really important. > I'm amazed at the short-term thinking behind these moves - and the fact that HN, of all places, is cheering it Everything you said here we already know. What you don't realize is the world is going through an invisible war right now at a scale of world war 3. These first world country people have never lived a difficult life so they just think everything will be all right just because it's been all right through their entire life. When China gains its dominance by bullying the rest of the world and the rest of the world just trying to "take the high road", they will realize there's no longer anything they can do about the situation because the Chinese economy has become too strong. This is why countries like India are taking the same route already (They were the ones who banned TikTok first). There is no permanent "ally" in the world politics. If you naively think "taking the high road" will win you allies even if it means losing your power, you should study history and learn to see long term.
- itsoktocry 6y ago
  >No, by taking the "high road" and valuing freedom and rights, you get global influence and alliances that are worth far How can anyone paying attention to global politics for the past 20 years claim this? >I'm amazed at the short-term thinking behind these moves The short-term thinking was Western companies doing everything in their power to appease the CCP in order to gain access to a huge market.
- sumedh 6y ago
  > you get global influence and alliances The US already has that. > You don't get world-class talent moving to your country by being a totalitarian state Which is why immigrants prefer US to China, banning tic tok is not going to change that.
baconandeggs 6y ago
You don't have to give your IP away. US "business" men willingly gave the Chinese their IP in exchange for cheap labor. You don't have to do that, that is not the only other option. Enforcing current laws is enough. And if it's not, IF, you enact new constitutional laws.
- ponker 6y ago
  The best time to have banned US corporations from handing IP to China would have been 40 years ago. The next best time is now. And TikTok has nothing to do with any of this, TikTok's "ban" is just the latest random outburst from an insufferable moron.
ulfw 6y ago
What is it the US of A is now "getting"?

sbmthakur 6y ago

US companies get access to one market while Chinese companies get access to both markets. While this isn't exactly fair, I don't think Americans are bothered by this. But I guess that won't be the case when most of the Americans get used to a Chinese app and criticism of the CCP is suppressed.

cocktailpeanuts 6y ago
I assure you, all american entrepreneurs are deeply bothered by this. Uber lost in China mainly because of this.
mytailorisrich 6y ago
Which American companies are actually banned/blocked in China because they are American companies?