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The key this year is to _personally drop off your ballot_ at an official drop point rather than mailing it in. USPS can and will deprioritize mail in ballots fo

by zrail 6y ago

The key this year is to _personally drop off your ballot_ at an official drop point rather than mailing it in. USPS can and will deprioritize mail in ballots for the fall elections.

dekhn 6y ago
This is an unsupported assertion. We have no specific data to suggest that this would happen.
- TehCorwiz 6y ago
  I mean, I know that with less than 90 days before one of the largest absentee voting elections in the history of the nation that I would fire 23 USPS administrators on a Friday evening several days after admitting to congress to slowing down mail delivery. That seems reasonable. Right? https://www.forbes.com/sites/danielcassady/2020/08/06/postmaster-general-said-to-admit-to-imposing-rules-that-would-slow-delivery-of-mail/#cad190d7d68a https://www.forbes.com/sites/danielcassady/2020/08/06/postma... https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/08/07/postal-service-investigation-dejoy/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/08/07/postal-se...
  - dekhn 6y ago
    Do administrators speed mail delivery?
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    - enraged_camel 6y ago
      Please don't argue in bad faith, and actually read the links provided. The issue here is that the current Postmaster General fired the administrators who were pushing back against the "optimizations" he is making and wants to make to USPS policies. The final goal is to privatize USPS, which has been a Republican dream since the Reagan era.
      - dekhn 6y ago
        Yes, I read all articles about the USPS the day they are published across a wide range of journals. However, I'm simply looking for a direct, factual claim that supports that these firings were directly intended to slow down mail delivery so as to cause problems during the forthcoming election. So far all the claims I've seen are indirect; further, the PG has explicitly said they are prepared to handle mail-in votes during the upcoming election. It's entirely unclear whether firing administrators (rather than mail carriers and postal office workers, etc) has a direct effect on mail delivery rates and accuracy in the short-term.
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        nemothekid 6y ago
        >However, I'm simply looking for a direct, factual claim that supports that these firings were directly intended to slow down mail delivery so as to cause problems during the forthcoming election. So far all the claims I've seen are indirect You realize that this is an absolutely inane thing to ask right? The direct implication is that Trump is slowing down the USPS in order the guarantee his re-election - are you looking for a quote from Trump himself that he's doing this, because I doubt we will ever see one until it's too late.
        dekhn 6y ago
        No, but I would like to see a more compelling narrative and supporting evidence for what is actually a pretty huge claim.
        zrail 6y ago
        You're right in so far as there's no direct supporting evidence. However, let's put a few things together: 1: May 6th, Trump appointee Louis DeJoy confirmed as Postmaster General and CEO. 2: June 30, Trump suggests that mail-in voting is fraudulent and suggests delaying the election because of it https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1288818160389558273 https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/12888181603895582... 3: July 15, DeJoy starts cutting costs and overtime during one of the most trying times the USPS has ever seen, resulting in delays: https://apnews.com/59c25efd4d325c4895f8ba85517f9bfd https://apnews.com/59c25efd4d325c4895f8ba85517f9bfd 4: August 7, DeJoy fires or reassigns 23 top executives, dramatically changing the existing power structure and centralizing decision making at the top. https://www.fastcompany.com/90538378/whats-happening-with-the-usps-heres-the-deal-with-its-shakeup-before-the-surge-of-mail-in-ballots https://www.fastcompany.com/90538378/whats-happening-with-th... No, those executives don't deliver mail. They did make all the decisions about how mail is delivered, who does it, and when. By centralizing the power structure DeJoy has put himself in the position of being able to make arbitrary decisions about postal delivery with very little immediate oversight. The USPS is playing an unusually large role in this election and Trump (and, let's not forget, state-level actors that continue to take active measures in US elections) has indicated that he's open to messing with mail delivery to win.
24gttghh 6y ago
I do this anyways. Why would I pay postage to have something brought to a distribution center 20 miles away, wait a few days, then brought back to my town to get delivered to town hall when I can literally walk there and drop it off for free?
- gruez 6y ago
  Because time is money? first class postage is only 55 cents, that's hard to beat from a dollars per hour spent perspective.
  - 24gttghh 6y ago
    Time may be money to some, but my time is fresh air and not supporting wasteful transport systems if I can avoid it.
  - shostack 6y ago
    With everything coming out about how mail in ballots are being delayed and otherwise messed with and who knows what else is in store, what is the value of ensuring your vote gets counted relative to your time dropping it off personally? That seems the more pertinent question.
- mulmen 6y ago
  In my state all voting is by mail. The postage is pre paid but you can drop off your ballot if you wish.
- radium3d 6y ago
  I drop mine off at the neighbor's house up the street too. It's a short walk, nice time to go outside and the times I go it's only one or two other people there. I just prefer to be vote by mail so I can fill it out at home without being rushed.

by zrail 6y ago

The key this year is to _personally drop off your ballot_ at an official drop point rather than mailing it in. USPS can and will deprioritize mail in ballots for the fall elections.

dekhn 6y ago

This is an unsupported assertion. We have no specific data to suggest that this would happen.

TehCorwiz 6y ago
I mean, I know that with less than 90 days before one of the largest absentee voting elections in the history of the nation that I would fire 23 USPS administrators on a Friday evening several days after admitting to congress to slowing down mail delivery. That seems reasonable. Right? https://www.forbes.com/sites/danielcassady/2020/08/06/postmaster-general-said-to-admit-to-imposing-rules-that-would-slow-delivery-of-mail/#cad190d7d68a https://www.forbes.com/sites/danielcassady/2020/08/06/postma... https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/08/07/postal-service-investigation-dejoy/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/08/07/postal-se...
- dekhn 6y ago
  Do administrators speed mail delivery?
  - deleted 6y ago
    [deleted]
  - enraged_camel 6y ago
    Please don't argue in bad faith, and actually read the links provided. The issue here is that the current Postmaster General fired the administrators who were pushing back against the "optimizations" he is making and wants to make to USPS policies. The final goal is to privatize USPS, which has been a Republican dream since the Reagan era.
    - dekhn 6y ago
      Yes, I read all articles about the USPS the day they are published across a wide range of journals. However, I'm simply looking for a direct, factual claim that supports that these firings were directly intended to slow down mail delivery so as to cause problems during the forthcoming election. So far all the claims I've seen are indirect; further, the PG has explicitly said they are prepared to handle mail-in votes during the upcoming election. It's entirely unclear whether firing administrators (rather than mail carriers and postal office workers, etc) has a direct effect on mail delivery rates and accuracy in the short-term.
      - deleted 6y ago
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      - nemothekid 6y ago
        >However, I'm simply looking for a direct, factual claim that supports that these firings were directly intended to slow down mail delivery so as to cause problems during the forthcoming election. So far all the claims I've seen are indirect You realize that this is an absolutely inane thing to ask right? The direct implication is that Trump is slowing down the USPS in order the guarantee his re-election - are you looking for a quote from Trump himself that he's doing this, because I doubt we will ever see one until it's too late.
        dekhn 6y ago
        No, but I would like to see a more compelling narrative and supporting evidence for what is actually a pretty huge claim.
        zrail 6y ago
        You're right in so far as there's no direct supporting evidence. However, let's put a few things together: 1: May 6th, Trump appointee Louis DeJoy confirmed as Postmaster General and CEO. 2: June 30, Trump suggests that mail-in voting is fraudulent and suggests delaying the election because of it https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1288818160389558273 https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/12888181603895582... 3: July 15, DeJoy starts cutting costs and overtime during one of the most trying times the USPS has ever seen, resulting in delays: https://apnews.com/59c25efd4d325c4895f8ba85517f9bfd https://apnews.com/59c25efd4d325c4895f8ba85517f9bfd 4: August 7, DeJoy fires or reassigns 23 top executives, dramatically changing the existing power structure and centralizing decision making at the top. https://www.fastcompany.com/90538378/whats-happening-with-the-usps-heres-the-deal-with-its-shakeup-before-the-surge-of-mail-in-ballots https://www.fastcompany.com/90538378/whats-happening-with-th... No, those executives don't deliver mail. They did make all the decisions about how mail is delivered, who does it, and when. By centralizing the power structure DeJoy has put himself in the position of being able to make arbitrary decisions about postal delivery with very little immediate oversight. The USPS is playing an unusually large role in this election and Trump (and, let's not forget, state-level actors that continue to take active measures in US elections) has indicated that he's open to messing with mail delivery to win.

24gttghh 6y ago

I do this anyways. Why would I pay postage to have something brought to a distribution center 20 miles away, wait a few days, then brought back to my town to get delivered to town hall when I can literally walk there and drop it off for free?

gruez 6y ago
Because time is money? first class postage is only 55 cents, that's hard to beat from a dollars per hour spent perspective.
- 24gttghh 6y ago
  Time may be money to some, but my time is fresh air and not supporting wasteful transport systems if I can avoid it.
- shostack 6y ago
  With everything coming out about how mail in ballots are being delayed and otherwise messed with and who knows what else is in store, what is the value of ensuring your vote gets counted relative to your time dropping it off personally? That seems the more pertinent question.
mulmen 6y ago
In my state all voting is by mail. The postage is pre paid but you can drop off your ballot if you wish.
radium3d 6y ago
I drop mine off at the neighbor's house up the street too. It's a short walk, nice time to go outside and the times I go it's only one or two other people there. I just prefer to be vote by mail so I can fill it out at home without being rushed.