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As a famous Brazilian writer said: "Underdevelopment is not improvised; it takes centuries to perfect."

by epx 6y ago

sushshshsh 6y ago
It's almost as if the process is designed to prevent new competitors from being able to compete ^.^ Now, I wonder who exactly were the people involved who lobbied for and paid money for these things to happen.
- kamaal 6y ago
  >>process is designed to prevent new competitors from being able to compete ^.^ No, the process is designed to limit fraud and prevent fly-by-night companies from squatting resources for the real businesses. One can argue that the government must place trust in citizens, but then in India time and again we see even reasonably sized businesses defaulting on loans, and squatting land resources. You also need a lot of regulation and inspection, to ensure people are not drinking fertilizers with Cola. Such situations are actually common than one thinks. The problem here really isn't law or law maker. The public in India in general is corrupt, and even honest sounding people become corrupt when offered an opportunity. There's only that much you can do when there's that much lies and corruption, you can have laws to limit them, but then these kinds of side effects show up.
  - epx 6y ago
    Bureaucracy is a lazy way to do this.
    - newen 6y ago
      Right, the free market is a much more efficient way to do this after a couple of thousand people die from drinking adulterated fruit juice.
DenisM 6y ago
Can't find the quote. Who was the writer?
- epx 6y ago
  Nelson Rodrigues. The original in pt_BR is “Subdesenvolvimento não se improvisa; é obra de séculos.”
  - shadowprofile77 6y ago
    More literal English translation then: Underdevelopment isn't improvised; it's an effort of centuries.
    - piva00 6y ago
      I think "work" as a noun works perfectly fine there, as in "works of art".
  - DenisM 6y ago
    So little of his work translated in English, it's a pity. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nelson_Rodrigues#Works_in_English https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nelson_Rodrigues#Works_in_Engl...
imtringued 6y ago
So are you saying the poverty is there by design? People want things to stay the same even if it means stagnation?
- piva00 6y ago
  Not all the people, the people in the elite of Brazil very much want to keep things as they are. They don't think that the violence and other social issues they encounter is a result of their own actions, as any conservative elite they want to keep the status quo because the current inequality benefits them handsomely.
- epx 6y ago
  Yes. As piva00 said, the elite benefits from the status quo. I think it is something even deeper: people are deeply afraid of change. Another factor is the laziness of the bureaucracy. Public servants prefer to move paper around than being "permissive by default" and going to the field to verify that things are ok. Yet another factor is the weak justice/control system. It is difficult to punish bad actors rapidly and effectively after the fact, so the government tries to do as many checks as possible before the fact, which of course doesn't work and makes the life of honest actors hell, but "at least we tried!". All that said, Brazil is probably much less bureaucratic than India. We Brazilians tend to compare with USA (big country as well, same continent, so natural comparison) but some friends that went to live in EU say bureaucracy is a big thing there too.

As a famous Brazilian writer said: "Underdevelopment is not improvised; it takes centuries to perfect."

by epx 6y ago

As a famous Brazilian writer said: "Underdevelopment is not improvised; it takes centuries to perfect."

It's almost as if the process is designed to prevent new competitors from being able to compete ^.^ Now, I wonder who exactly were the people involved who lobbied for and paid money for these things to happen.

kamaal 6y ago
>>process is designed to prevent new competitors from being able to compete ^.^ No, the process is designed to limit fraud and prevent fly-by-night companies from squatting resources for the real businesses. One can argue that the government must place trust in citizens, but then in India time and again we see even reasonably sized businesses defaulting on loans, and squatting land resources. You also need a lot of regulation and inspection, to ensure people are not drinking fertilizers with Cola. Such situations are actually common than one thinks. The problem here really isn't law or law maker. The public in India in general is corrupt, and even honest sounding people become corrupt when offered an opportunity. There's only that much you can do when there's that much lies and corruption, you can have laws to limit them, but then these kinds of side effects show up.
- epx 6y ago
  Bureaucracy is a lazy way to do this.
  - newen 6y ago
    Right, the free market is a much more efficient way to do this after a couple of thousand people die from drinking adulterated fruit juice.

DenisM 6y ago

Can't find the quote. Who was the writer?

epx 6y ago
Nelson Rodrigues. The original in pt_BR is “Subdesenvolvimento não se improvisa; é obra de séculos.”
- shadowprofile77 6y ago
  More literal English translation then: Underdevelopment isn't improvised; it's an effort of centuries.
  - piva00 6y ago
    I think "work" as a noun works perfectly fine there, as in "works of art".
- DenisM 6y ago
  So little of his work translated in English, it's a pity. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nelson_Rodrigues#Works_in_English https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nelson_Rodrigues#Works_in_Engl...

imtringued 6y ago

So are you saying the poverty is there by design? People want things to stay the same even if it means stagnation?

piva00 6y ago
Not all the people, the people in the elite of Brazil very much want to keep things as they are. They don't think that the violence and other social issues they encounter is a result of their own actions, as any conservative elite they want to keep the status quo because the current inequality benefits them handsomely.
epx 6y ago
Yes. As piva00 said, the elite benefits from the status quo. I think it is something even deeper: people are deeply afraid of change. Another factor is the laziness of the bureaucracy. Public servants prefer to move paper around than being "permissive by default" and going to the field to verify that things are ok. Yet another factor is the weak justice/control system. It is difficult to punish bad actors rapidly and effectively after the fact, so the government tries to do as many checks as possible before the fact, which of course doesn't work and makes the life of honest actors hell, but "at least we tried!". All that said, Brazil is probably much less bureaucratic than India. We Brazilians tend to compare with USA (big country as well, same continent, so natural comparison) but some friends that went to live in EU say bureaucracy is a big thing there too.