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Yes.... maybe that stuff wasn't as helpful as you think. Maybe it ensured that you were trained in a way that you would accept and conform to the world that y

Yes.... maybe that stuff wasn't as helpful as you think. Maybe it ensured that you were trained in a way that you would accept and conform to the world that you were presented with.

disgruntledphd2 6y ago
That's an interesting viewpoint. Given that I dropped out of college (twice!) and generally arsed around unproductively for 10 years while my school mates were buying houses, I'm going to gently suggest that you have little to no idea of what I actually think (except for my views on taxation). Given that I personally believe that schools, roads and hospitals are necessities for modern society and you appear to believe that these are some kind of false consciousness, I'm not sure how we can carry on this discussion.
- feralimal 6y ago
  I didn't say that schools, roads and hospitals are not necessities. I would say schools, roads and hospitals are necessities for the government to run a modern society. They decided and they did it. You and I paid for it. Just on the roads point, without a government, we might all be flying personal helicopters, no roads required.
  - disgruntledphd2 6y ago
    And without a penis, I'd be a woman :) Seriously, I don't think that you have a strong argument here, and if you really feel this way, then you should try and articulate the issues you see with government in a way that might convince others. And it's not they (unless you're stateless or an immigrant), it's we. We pay taxes so that our delegates (government) can provide us services. It's a worthy trade, in my belief at least.
    - feralimal 6y ago
      :) Funny Of course we don't know what might or might not occur, if the situation were different. But the fact is that neither you nor I decided on roads. The government decided. I don't see what's weak about that. The government is 'they', its not 'we' (though you may identify with its actions). I want no part of it, but despite my lack of agreement with anything that it does, it is inflicted on me anyway. I am coerced to pay taxes. You are in agreement with a system where a big gang can use their superior numbers to force another person to do what they say, despite that other person having done them no wrong. So, seriously, if you have a counter argument, please go ahead and make it. Please explain what number or percentage of people makes it ok to force another person to part with 40% of their income against their will. I'd like to hear your argument. Be sure to explain the difference between government tax and mafia protection money too. Cheers.

Yes.... maybe that stuff wasn't as helpful as you think. Maybe it ensured that you were trained in a way that you would accept and conform to the world that you were presented with.

disgruntledphd2 6y ago

That's an interesting viewpoint. Given that I dropped out of college (twice!) and generally arsed around unproductively for 10 years while my school mates were buying houses, I'm going to gently suggest that you have little to no idea of what I actually think (except for my views on taxation). Given that I personally believe that schools, roads and hospitals are necessities for modern society and you appear to believe that these are some kind of false consciousness, I'm not sure how we can carry on this discussion.

feralimal 6y ago
I didn't say that schools, roads and hospitals are not necessities. I would say schools, roads and hospitals are necessities for the government to run a modern society. They decided and they did it. You and I paid for it. Just on the roads point, without a government, we might all be flying personal helicopters, no roads required.
- disgruntledphd2 6y ago
  And without a penis, I'd be a woman :) Seriously, I don't think that you have a strong argument here, and if you really feel this way, then you should try and articulate the issues you see with government in a way that might convince others. And it's not they (unless you're stateless or an immigrant), it's we. We pay taxes so that our delegates (government) can provide us services. It's a worthy trade, in my belief at least.
  - feralimal 6y ago
    :) Funny Of course we don't know what might or might not occur, if the situation were different. But the fact is that neither you nor I decided on roads. The government decided. I don't see what's weak about that. The government is 'they', its not 'we' (though you may identify with its actions). I want no part of it, but despite my lack of agreement with anything that it does, it is inflicted on me anyway. I am coerced to pay taxes. You are in agreement with a system where a big gang can use their superior numbers to force another person to do what they say, despite that other person having done them no wrong. So, seriously, if you have a counter argument, please go ahead and make it. Please explain what number or percentage of people makes it ok to force another person to part with 40% of their income against their will. I'd like to hear your argument. Be sure to explain the difference between government tax and mafia protection money too. Cheers.