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And invoked that authority: China has pressed charges against an American citizen who lives in America for conduct that took place in the United States. https:

And invoked that authority: China has pressed charges against an American citizen who lives in America for conduct that took place in the United States. https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/01/china/hong-kong-activists-arrest-warrant-intl-hnk/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/01/china/hong-kong-activists-arr... R.I.P Westphalian sovereignty

thaumasiotes 6y ago
> China has pressed charges against an American citizen who lives in America for conduct that took place in the United States. > R.I.P Westphalian sovereignty This reminds me of our arrest (well, Canada's arrest at our demand) of Meng Wanzhou.
- khuey 6y ago
  It really shouldn't. She's alleged to have committed bank fraud against American banks. Bank fraud is a crime everywhere.
  - aww_dang 6y ago
    https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2020/07/11/asia-pacific/hostage-diplomacy-china-canada/ https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2020/07/11/asia-pacific/ho... >"Trudeau also rejected the idea of a prisoner swap for Meng Wanzhou — eldest daughter of Huawei’s billionaire founder Ren Zhengfei — saying an exchange would “demonstrate to China that they can just arrest Canadians and get what they want out of Canada.” "
  - thaumasiotes 6y ago
    She's alleged to have been an officer in a company that disobeyed American prohibitions on trade with Iran. Calling it "bank fraud" is just a way of avoiding the question of what she did that was wrong. Who's arresting Anish Kapoor and his co-conspirators for committing fraud against Stuart Semple?
    - khuey 6y ago
      You really should go read the indictment.
      - _-___________-_ 6y ago
        I've read it, and just went and read it again. I agree with GP.
    - KMag 6y ago
      I haven't read the indictment, but isn't the allegation that she's an officer of a firm that exported restricted US-made HP telcom equipment under agreement with the US government not to share that equipment with Iran, and used a shell company in HK to transfer that equipment to Iran? My understanding is they snapped her up on the money side of the transaction because her hands were more directly there and that part is easier to trace. She needed to perform banking fraud in the US in order to make payment in the US for the US-made equipment. I believe the allegation is that she knowingly flat-out lied to HSBC about the nature of the HK shell company in order to get HSBC to complete the payment in the U.S. At least, that's my understanding. Am I missing something? It's not like she was simply on vacation buying tourist kitsch in Tehran or selling Hwawei equipment to Iranian companies. I believe the allegation is that both the equipment export and the payment sides of the transactions touched US soil and violated US law.
    - Paradigma11 6y ago
      But she did intentionally lie to the banks which, based on this lies, committed actions that they could be prosecuted for. The validity of the iran embargo does not play a lot into this.
onetimemanytime 6y ago
This is irrelevant, whether such law should exists is a different matter. USA arrests, say Islamic terrorists, for conduct that occurred outside USA. If you incite acts against USA you will get charged no matter where you are.
- foogazi 6y ago
  whatabout the USA?
  - onetimemanytime 6y ago
    nothing to do with whataboutism. It has to do with where you are when you commit the crime. In China doing those things is a crime and it doesn't matter where or who are when you commit the crimes. The same with the USA and I guess most countries
082349872349872 6y ago
> R.I.P Westphalian sovereignty The russian who ran an african "security" company, just before Erik Prince started his post-Blackwater african project, was arrested in thailand and sent to the US. (This is probably a good place to remind any HK'ers with piles of the ready, who have not already invested in Vancouver, that Subic Bay is no longer a US naval base, but instead offers condos and a yacht harbour, all within cruising distance of HK.) Before handover, HK police would come in pairs, with at least one english and one cantonese speaker. My (very pale and blonde) friend's hobby was to approach the cantonese speaking cop, who would gesticulate wildly pointing at their partner ... and ask a question in decent cantonese.
glandium 6y ago
"an American citizen" who has not renounced his Hong Kong citizenship, so as far as that news is concerned, the fact that he also has American citizenship is irrelevant.
harry8 6y ago
Julian Assange is charged by the US for conduct that did not take place in the US.

thaumasiotes 6y ago

> China has pressed charges against an American citizen who lives in America for conduct that took place in the United States. > R.I.P Westphalian sovereignty This reminds me of our arrest (well, Canada's arrest at our demand) of Meng Wanzhou.

khuey 6y ago
It really shouldn't. She's alleged to have committed bank fraud against American banks. Bank fraud is a crime everywhere.
- aww_dang 6y ago
  https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2020/07/11/asia-pacific/hostage-diplomacy-china-canada/ https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2020/07/11/asia-pacific/ho... >"Trudeau also rejected the idea of a prisoner swap for Meng Wanzhou — eldest daughter of Huawei’s billionaire founder Ren Zhengfei — saying an exchange would “demonstrate to China that they can just arrest Canadians and get what they want out of Canada.” "
- thaumasiotes 6y ago
  She's alleged to have been an officer in a company that disobeyed American prohibitions on trade with Iran. Calling it "bank fraud" is just a way of avoiding the question of what she did that was wrong. Who's arresting Anish Kapoor and his co-conspirators for committing fraud against Stuart Semple?
  - khuey 6y ago
    You really should go read the indictment.
    - _-___________-_ 6y ago
      I've read it, and just went and read it again. I agree with GP.
  - KMag 6y ago
    I haven't read the indictment, but isn't the allegation that she's an officer of a firm that exported restricted US-made HP telcom equipment under agreement with the US government not to share that equipment with Iran, and used a shell company in HK to transfer that equipment to Iran? My understanding is they snapped her up on the money side of the transaction because her hands were more directly there and that part is easier to trace. She needed to perform banking fraud in the US in order to make payment in the US for the US-made equipment. I believe the allegation is that she knowingly flat-out lied to HSBC about the nature of the HK shell company in order to get HSBC to complete the payment in the U.S. At least, that's my understanding. Am I missing something? It's not like she was simply on vacation buying tourist kitsch in Tehran or selling Hwawei equipment to Iranian companies. I believe the allegation is that both the equipment export and the payment sides of the transactions touched US soil and violated US law.
  - Paradigma11 6y ago
    But she did intentionally lie to the banks which, based on this lies, committed actions that they could be prosecuted for. The validity of the iran embargo does not play a lot into this.

onetimemanytime 6y ago

This is irrelevant, whether such law should exists is a different matter. USA arrests, say Islamic terrorists, for conduct that occurred outside USA. If you incite acts against USA you will get charged no matter where you are.

foogazi 6y ago
whatabout the USA?
- onetimemanytime 6y ago
  nothing to do with whataboutism. It has to do with where you are when you commit the crime. In China doing those things is a crime and it doesn't matter where or who are when you commit the crimes. The same with the USA and I guess most countries

082349872349872 6y ago

> R.I.P Westphalian sovereignty The russian who ran an african "security" company, just before Erik Prince started his post-Blackwater african project, was arrested in thailand and sent to the US. (This is probably a good place to remind any HK'ers with piles of the ready, who have not already invested in Vancouver, that Subic Bay is no longer a US naval base, but instead offers condos and a yacht harbour, all within cruising distance of HK.) Before handover, HK police would come in pairs, with at least one english and one cantonese speaker. My (very pale and blonde) friend's hobby was to approach the cantonese speaking cop, who would gesticulate wildly pointing at their partner ... and ask a question in decent cantonese.

glandium 6y ago

"an American citizen" who has not renounced his Hong Kong citizenship, so as far as that news is concerned, the fact that he also has American citizenship is irrelevant.

harry8 6y ago

Julian Assange is charged by the US for conduct that did not take place in the US.