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Not exactly on topic: There have been a few HN submissions in the past linking to papers concerned with the effect of 5G on insects. As a layperson I was not

Not exactly on topic: There have been a few HN submissions in the past linking to papers concerned with the effect of 5G on insects. As a layperson I was not able to evaluate those papers. But if anyone knows if there was any kind of consensus reached about that, or even if this is something that anyone serious is concerned about, I would appreciate the pointer.

benbristow 6y ago
Hopefully not something to fuel conspiracy theorists with more reasons to burn down mobile towers like what has been happening in the UK recently.
- mac01021 6y ago
  What conspiracies are moving people to do that? And how do you burn down a steel tower?
  - jmcgough 6y ago
    similar to QAnon, there are a lot of offshoots of different ideas that all stem from people not understanding 5G and thinking that it's unsafe, despite a lack of scientific evidence to support that. Pre-covid it was that 5G was making everyone physically ill. Post-covid it's that the radiation is mutating the virus to make it more deadly or spread it more quickly. https://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/conspiracy-theorists-burn-5g-towers-claiming-link-virus-70258811 https://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/conspiracy-theorists...
    - godmode2019 6y ago
      I think its important to think about things as information and disinformation. The post covid comment is clearly disinformation. It was used and promoted by the media in my country as a strawman argument for anyone who had concerns about 5g. Its important to promote the most creditable voice rather than the least. When the least creditable argument is promoted you know the promoters don't want to deal with the argument at first principal, you believe X this crazy person also believes X there for you are Y. Its a common framing technique used by the media, you will start to notice it everywhere on both sides of the media echo chamber.
  - ClikeX 6y ago
    I think they climb the tower and pour gasoline on them. Which is stupidly dangerous.
vbezhenar 6y ago
My anecdote data. I'm living in Kazakhstan and there's an interesting observation. We used to have lots of cockroaches in houses, especially when houses were not very clean. It was, I think, before 1995. It seems the same with our post-USSR neighbour countries (Russia, and so on). I used to live in such a flat, where lots of cockroaches were running in the kitchen at night. I remember as a child that we tried different chemicals to fight them, but with little success. And it was similar for many other people. And at some point they were just gone. From everyone's house. It was not just one day, but we just understood that there are no cockroaches around. It's still possible to find them somewhere, I guess, but that's a rare event. Something's changed. Some people think that's because chemicals finally became effective and eradicated them. And some people think that's because of cellular networks which appeared everywhere around that time. I never found definitive answer, just speculations.
- thefounder 6y ago
  lol! You still find cockroaches around regardless of wi-fi or 4g signal
  - partyboat1586 6y ago
    Clearly he doesn't. Do you?
    - arcturus17 6y ago
      I live in Madrid, which is a fairly clean city compared to other places I’ve lived. We have loads of roaches, especially in the summer. We also have absurd 4G and Wifi coverage. I can only connect to the 5ghz Wifi band at home because 2.4 is saturated by the neighbors. There are still roaches where I live... Funny thing, in the house where I grew up, I saw the same phenomenon as GP. We had constant roach infestations in the kitchen, and after years of different chemical treatments, they were suddenly gone for good. Always attributed it to an effective chemical or a random biological process. Still see them in other places in the city nevertheless. Why are we even entertaining this on Hacker News though? Show me the papers, GP’s anecdotes or mine are worthless.
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benbristow 6y ago

Hopefully not something to fuel conspiracy theorists with more reasons to burn down mobile towers like what has been happening in the UK recently.

mac01021 6y ago
What conspiracies are moving people to do that? And how do you burn down a steel tower?
- jmcgough 6y ago
  similar to QAnon, there are a lot of offshoots of different ideas that all stem from people not understanding 5G and thinking that it's unsafe, despite a lack of scientific evidence to support that. Pre-covid it was that 5G was making everyone physically ill. Post-covid it's that the radiation is mutating the virus to make it more deadly or spread it more quickly. https://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/conspiracy-theorists-burn-5g-towers-claiming-link-virus-70258811 https://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/conspiracy-theorists...
  - godmode2019 6y ago
    I think its important to think about things as information and disinformation. The post covid comment is clearly disinformation. It was used and promoted by the media in my country as a strawman argument for anyone who had concerns about 5g. Its important to promote the most creditable voice rather than the least. When the least creditable argument is promoted you know the promoters don't want to deal with the argument at first principal, you believe X this crazy person also believes X there for you are Y. Its a common framing technique used by the media, you will start to notice it everywhere on both sides of the media echo chamber.
- ClikeX 6y ago
  I think they climb the tower and pour gasoline on them. Which is stupidly dangerous.

vbezhenar 6y ago

My anecdote data. I'm living in Kazakhstan and there's an interesting observation. We used to have lots of cockroaches in houses, especially when houses were not very clean. It was, I think, before 1995. It seems the same with our post-USSR neighbour countries (Russia, and so on). I used to live in such a flat, where lots of cockroaches were running in the kitchen at night. I remember as a child that we tried different chemicals to fight them, but with little success. And it was similar for many other people. And at some point they were just gone. From everyone's house. It was not just one day, but we just understood that there are no cockroaches around. It's still possible to find them somewhere, I guess, but that's a rare event. Something's changed. Some people think that's because chemicals finally became effective and eradicated them. And some people think that's because of cellular networks which appeared everywhere around that time. I never found definitive answer, just speculations.

thefounder 6y ago
lol! You still find cockroaches around regardless of wi-fi or 4g signal
- partyboat1586 6y ago
  Clearly he doesn't. Do you?
  - arcturus17 6y ago
    I live in Madrid, which is a fairly clean city compared to other places I’ve lived. We have loads of roaches, especially in the summer. We also have absurd 4G and Wifi coverage. I can only connect to the 5ghz Wifi band at home because 2.4 is saturated by the neighbors. There are still roaches where I live... Funny thing, in the house where I grew up, I saw the same phenomenon as GP. We had constant roach infestations in the kitchen, and after years of different chemical treatments, they were suddenly gone for good. Always attributed it to an effective chemical or a random biological process. Still see them in other places in the city nevertheless. Why are we even entertaining this on Hacker News though? Show me the papers, GP’s anecdotes or mine are worthless.

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