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I really want to see the Apple Silicon under some real world load running a current gen AAA video game in 4K ultra settings while streaming with OBS, playing mu

I really want to see the Apple Silicon under some real world load running a current gen AAA video game in 4K ultra settings while streaming with OBS, playing music, and having Chrome open with 100+ tabs. Because that's what my current PC does for example so I'm really curious about everything (performance, temps etc.) To some extent it's just hard to believe that the iPhone CPU is better in every thing compared to the current gen top of the line Intel and AMD desktop CPUs.

stinos 6y ago
Chrome open with 100+ tabs Bit off topic, but I don't use Chrome so I wonder: do you mean 100+ visited i.e. active tabs, or are you counting all of them, or doesn't Chrome have a distinction between those cases like e.g. Firefox does (i.e. when starting the application it doesn't actually load all tabs until you activate them - so once opened perfomance wise it doesn't matter a lot if it's 10+ or 100+ tabs)?
- snazz 6y ago
  I'm pretty sure that Chrome does have a distinction between loaded and unloaded tabs (suspended tabs, maybe?), but it definitely manages tabs in a different way from Firefox and Safari. Both Chrome and Firefox can trivially handle 100 suspended tabs on any machine; both would struggle with that many active tabs if the machine didn't have enough RAM to fit them all. This metric really only has to do with the amount of memory that a machine has, in my experience.
- neurostimulant 6y ago
  Chrome will suspend/discard inactive tabs when when the memory pressure is high, and reload it back when you activate the tab again, so you probably can open 1000 tabs and leave it alone without much impact (this feature is exposed as an api and can be triggered by extensions: https://developer.chrome.com/extensions/tabs#method-discard https://developer.chrome.com/extensions/tabs#method-discard ). But when you activate them all I imagine it would consume too much system resource.
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wu_187 6y ago
This. While I can appreciate that Apple is taking a huge risk in creating their own chips, I cannot believe that the performance of the chips will be on par with current x86_64 chipsets based on Apple's past. In all honestly, the vast majority of Apple's clientele for computers are businesses, who basically just use them for basic web browsing/office work, which isn't a high bar to meet the needs for.
- ulfw 6y ago
  "the vast majority of Apple's clientele for computers are businesses" I'm sorry? What?!
- saagarjha 6y ago
  I suggest you pick up an iPad and try doing something demanding on it.
- DiabloD3 6y ago
  I don't know of a single employee of a serious actual business that has been issued an Apple anything. Not a laptop, desktop, or phone. I don't know of a single person that, when given the choice of what to use for work, has chosen Apple unless they already were entrenched in the Apple ecosystem. The vast majority of Apple's customers are Apple fans, people who merely wish to think different, nothing more, nothing less. Edit: Don't downvote just to disagree. Comment and state your reasoning on why you think I'm wrong. If you work for a company that only issues Apple devices, please speak up with your experience on how this went, and, if possible, why the company didn't go with Windows or Linux computers instead. For the comments that try to bring up software development roles: most software developers I know either use Windows or use Linux on the desktop, and loath OSX worse than I do. Very few prefer OSX. The few people I know that prefer OSX (and will die on that hill) are frontend developers.
  - Razengan 6y ago
    https://www.google.com/search?q=Mac+at+NASA&prmd=inmv&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&biw=375&bih=635&dpr=3 https://www.google.com/search?q=Mac+at+NASA&prmd=inmv&source...
platz 6y ago
You left out running Z3 in your list of tasks. Did you read the article?
TheSpiceIsLife 6y ago
I was under the impression modern browsers suspend background tabs to some extent? But anyway, you're talking about a very specific use case that only partially generalises. I'm typing this on an 2014 11" MacBook Air 6,1 i5-4260U CPU @ 1.40GHz, 2001 Mhz, 2C / 4T with 4GB RAM running Windows 10 with two Chromium Edge and Firefox, 2D CAD and vector graphics programs running.
gowld 6y ago
That's a bizarre comparison. The AMD CPU doesn't do OBS with AAA games; the GPU and VRAM does that.
- Waterfall 6y ago
  AMD has APUs.
- hu3 6y ago
  CPU matter for AAA games. Different CPUs gets you different fps on these games so clearly they are used. And there's nothing bizare in OP's real world scenario. Mine is even worse. I also have multiple Linux OS running on Docker, Windows on a virtual machine with 4 CPU threads dedicated to it and native Windows running Ubuntu over WSL2 performing some tasks. I don't turn any of that off while I'm playing game and streaming. for the downvoters: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PcYA-H3qpTI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PcYA-H3qpTI
ralfd 6y ago
Apple likely won’t optimize their own chips for your use case at first (I expect the iMac Pro or Mac Pro will stay Intel for at least two years), but for cost, low heat and high battery. Imagine a slim MacBook with no fan.
- jiofih 6y ago
  You mean.. the 11” MacBook? It already is slim as a phone and has no fan.
  - ch_sm 6y ago
    It has been discontinued. They might reintroduce it with Apple Silicon.
rado 6y ago
1. iPad Pro humiliates PCs and Macs on some media tasks, 2. We haven't seen any real product yet, only the dev kit. The new Macs will be much more powerful than any existing Apple Arm products. We'll see.
- 1f60c 6y ago
  A small tip, if I may: you can separate the list items with a newline to make them show up on their individual lines: 1. Like so, 2. for example. will render as: 1. Like so, 2. for example.
- Tade0 6y ago
  Which tasks are those? I have a 2020 iPad Pro and want to see this.
  - rado 6y ago
    Lightroom on the 2017 iPad Pro vs a 2017 iMac.
gruez 6y ago
>I really want to see the Apple Silicon under some real world load running a current gen AAA video game in 4K ultra settings while streaming with OBS AFAIK apple CPUs are on-par with high performance desktop class x86 CPUs, but only in integer performance. AAA gaming would probably perform badly since it has plenty of floating point operations. edit: *in single thread performance
- smabie 6y ago
  Apple CPUs are nowhere close to things like Ryzen or Thread ripper when it comes to multi-threaded performance. Moreover, most modern games can make use of at the very least 4 to 8 threads nowadays, so I would expect Apple silicon to fair poorly on most game benchmarks (assuming they were ported to ARM, of course).
  - gruez 6y ago
    Thanks, edited.

stinos 6y ago

Chrome open with 100+ tabs Bit off topic, but I don't use Chrome so I wonder: do you mean 100+ visited i.e. active tabs, or are you counting all of them, or doesn't Chrome have a distinction between those cases like e.g. Firefox does (i.e. when starting the application it doesn't actually load all tabs until you activate them - so once opened perfomance wise it doesn't matter a lot if it's 10+ or 100+ tabs)?

snazz 6y ago
I'm pretty sure that Chrome does have a distinction between loaded and unloaded tabs (suspended tabs, maybe?), but it definitely manages tabs in a different way from Firefox and Safari. Both Chrome and Firefox can trivially handle 100 suspended tabs on any machine; both would struggle with that many active tabs if the machine didn't have enough RAM to fit them all. This metric really only has to do with the amount of memory that a machine has, in my experience.
neurostimulant 6y ago
Chrome will suspend/discard inactive tabs when when the memory pressure is high, and reload it back when you activate the tab again, so you probably can open 1000 tabs and leave it alone without much impact (this feature is exposed as an api and can be triggered by extensions: https://developer.chrome.com/extensions/tabs#method-discard https://developer.chrome.com/extensions/tabs#method-discard ). But when you activate them all I imagine it would consume too much system resource.

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wu_187 6y ago

This. While I can appreciate that Apple is taking a huge risk in creating their own chips, I cannot believe that the performance of the chips will be on par with current x86_64 chipsets based on Apple's past. In all honestly, the vast majority of Apple's clientele for computers are businesses, who basically just use them for basic web browsing/office work, which isn't a high bar to meet the needs for.

ulfw 6y ago
"the vast majority of Apple's clientele for computers are businesses" I'm sorry? What?!
saagarjha 6y ago
I suggest you pick up an iPad and try doing something demanding on it.
DiabloD3 6y ago
I don't know of a single employee of a serious actual business that has been issued an Apple anything. Not a laptop, desktop, or phone. I don't know of a single person that, when given the choice of what to use for work, has chosen Apple unless they already were entrenched in the Apple ecosystem. The vast majority of Apple's customers are Apple fans, people who merely wish to think different, nothing more, nothing less. Edit: Don't downvote just to disagree. Comment and state your reasoning on why you think I'm wrong. If you work for a company that only issues Apple devices, please speak up with your experience on how this went, and, if possible, why the company didn't go with Windows or Linux computers instead. For the comments that try to bring up software development roles: most software developers I know either use Windows or use Linux on the desktop, and loath OSX worse than I do. Very few prefer OSX. The few people I know that prefer OSX (and will die on that hill) are frontend developers.
- Razengan 6y ago
  https://www.google.com/search?q=Mac+at+NASA&prmd=inmv&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&biw=375&bih=635&dpr=3 https://www.google.com/search?q=Mac+at+NASA&prmd=inmv&source...

platz 6y ago

You left out running Z3 in your list of tasks. Did you read the article?

TheSpiceIsLife 6y ago

I was under the impression modern browsers suspend background tabs to some extent? But anyway, you're talking about a very specific use case that only partially generalises. I'm typing this on an 2014 11" MacBook Air 6,1 i5-4260U CPU @ 1.40GHz, 2001 Mhz, 2C / 4T with 4GB RAM running Windows 10 with two Chromium Edge and Firefox, 2D CAD and vector graphics programs running.

gowld 6y ago

That's a bizarre comparison. The AMD CPU doesn't do OBS with AAA games; the GPU and VRAM does that.

Waterfall 6y ago
AMD has APUs.
hu3 6y ago
CPU matter for AAA games. Different CPUs gets you different fps on these games so clearly they are used. And there's nothing bizare in OP's real world scenario. Mine is even worse. I also have multiple Linux OS running on Docker, Windows on a virtual machine with 4 CPU threads dedicated to it and native Windows running Ubuntu over WSL2 performing some tasks. I don't turn any of that off while I'm playing game and streaming. for the downvoters: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PcYA-H3qpTI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PcYA-H3qpTI

ralfd 6y ago

Apple likely won’t optimize their own chips for your use case at first (I expect the iMac Pro or Mac Pro will stay Intel for at least two years), but for cost, low heat and high battery. Imagine a slim MacBook with no fan.

jiofih 6y ago
You mean.. the 11” MacBook? It already is slim as a phone and has no fan.
- ch_sm 6y ago
  It has been discontinued. They might reintroduce it with Apple Silicon.

rado 6y ago

1. iPad Pro humiliates PCs and Macs on some media tasks, 2. We haven't seen any real product yet, only the dev kit. The new Macs will be much more powerful than any existing Apple Arm products. We'll see.

1f60c 6y ago
A small tip, if I may: you can separate the list items with a newline to make them show up on their individual lines: 1. Like so, 2. for example. will render as: 1. Like so, 2. for example.
Tade0 6y ago
Which tasks are those? I have a 2020 iPad Pro and want to see this.
- rado 6y ago
  Lightroom on the 2017 iPad Pro vs a 2017 iMac.

gruez 6y ago

>I really want to see the Apple Silicon under some real world load running a current gen AAA video game in 4K ultra settings while streaming with OBS AFAIK apple CPUs are on-par with high performance desktop class x86 CPUs, but only in integer performance. AAA gaming would probably perform badly since it has plenty of floating point operations. edit: *in single thread performance

smabie 6y ago
Apple CPUs are nowhere close to things like Ryzen or Thread ripper when it comes to multi-threaded performance. Moreover, most modern games can make use of at the very least 4 to 8 threads nowadays, so I would expect Apple silicon to fair poorly on most game benchmarks (assuming they were ported to ARM, of course).
- gruez 6y ago
  Thanks, edited.