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> Look, amazon offers refunds when people send back a brick instead of a computer and jeff bezos is rich enough to compete in the space race 2.0 I don’t do thi

by mcny 6y ago

> Look, amazon offers refunds when people send back a brick instead of a computer and jeff bezos is rich enough to compete in the space race 2.0 I don’t do this. Not because I am a good person with morals but because I’m scared of being banned from Amazon.com Amazon.com can easily track what items I looked at and what items I place on my cart. What’s to stop them from tracking what items I return?

StavrosK 6y ago
I have a friend who returns everything when he buys something new, once every year or two, for a full refund. He'll literally buy a phone, use it for a year, then claim it has a dead pixel, send it back for a refund and buy a new phone. He hasn't been banned yet, though I kind of hope he does.
- HatchedLake721 6y ago
  There’s always someone taking advantage and ruining it for everybody else.
  - bbeekley 6y ago
    Not defending fraud (in general or in this specific case), but who it being ruined for? Amazon is still making fabulous amounts of money, prices are still low there, and the policy is still generous to the customer.
    - mikeklaas 6y ago
      Unless the friend is only buying Amazon-branded products, the merchant is being screwed
    - rvnx 6y ago
      It's the reason Amazon is getting more and more strict on such returns. Legitimate users are punished.
    - analog31 6y ago
      In my view it hurts the suppliers who are trying to do business through Amazon. It also hurts other customers, since it reinforces the idea that you can ship stuff with unknown or intermittent quality, and let the return process serve as your quality control.
    - m463 6y ago
      You would like the Stainless Steel Rat scifi series of books by Harry Harrison. :)
- m463 6y ago
  I kind of wonder if people like this get "shadowbanned" and how it would work.
  - StavrosK 6y ago
    GPT-3 customer support bot apologizing for the delay.
- yourapostasy 6y ago
  Broadly, US customer service return policies, despite what we hear, is superlative compared to most of the rest of the world [1]. If you travel a lot, the kind of return policies Americans broadly enjoy are pretty much non-existent outside the US, due to a relatively unique history of retail and general trust. Culture is in general becoming a less pleasant, asshole-take-all experience because your "friend" embodies how trust and social fabric is corroded away. Not by big, monolithic, evil entities people like to rant upon here, but by everyday people like him making poor choices. Choose better decisions [2]. [1] https://qz.com/772273/the-sneaky-genius-of-americas-lenient-return-policies/ https://qz.com/772273/the-sneaky-genius-of-americas-lenient-... [2] https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/elal2/have_you_ever_picked_up_a_hitchhiker/c18z0z2/ https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/elal2/have_you_e...
  - StavrosK 6y ago
    Neither I nor he live in the US, alas.
    - yourapostasy 6y ago
      Monetary systems are (very poorly designed, highly lossy) attempts to quantify trust in many dimensional axes. Corrode trust, then the cost of trade goes up. When I notice decisions made by people like what your friend does, if talking about it doesn't produce a change in choices, I instantly distance myself from them and then gradually cut them out of my life. Ethics is what you do when you think no one is looking on. Your mileage may vary, but personally, I have too little time in my life to spend on people who I have to worry about whether they will screw me over if the situation is just right. The cognitive load is not worth it.
  - m463 6y ago
    It might not be trust or customer service... it might be that americans have rights afforded to them via credit card laws. You can initiate a chargeback against the vendor and get your money back. And for fraud... in the US you can lose max $50 to a credit card fraud incident ($500 if you are really negligent) by law. So I think americans enjoy protections not available in other parts of the world. I actually think this makes good sense. It eliminates the need for people "to take things into their own hands", or be overly cautious, so spending is increased. I think it was matt ridley's book the rational optimist (?) that said that trust correlates with trade.

by mcny 6y ago

StavrosK 6y ago

I have a friend who returns everything when he buys something new, once every year or two, for a full refund. He'll literally buy a phone, use it for a year, then claim it has a dead pixel, send it back for a refund and buy a new phone. He hasn't been banned yet, though I kind of hope he does.

HatchedLake721 6y ago
There’s always someone taking advantage and ruining it for everybody else.
- bbeekley 6y ago
  Not defending fraud (in general or in this specific case), but who it being ruined for? Amazon is still making fabulous amounts of money, prices are still low there, and the policy is still generous to the customer.
  - mikeklaas 6y ago
    Unless the friend is only buying Amazon-branded products, the merchant is being screwed
  - rvnx 6y ago
    It's the reason Amazon is getting more and more strict on such returns. Legitimate users are punished.
  - analog31 6y ago
    In my view it hurts the suppliers who are trying to do business through Amazon. It also hurts other customers, since it reinforces the idea that you can ship stuff with unknown or intermittent quality, and let the return process serve as your quality control.
  - m463 6y ago
    You would like the Stainless Steel Rat scifi series of books by Harry Harrison. :)
m463 6y ago
I kind of wonder if people like this get "shadowbanned" and how it would work.
- StavrosK 6y ago
  GPT-3 customer support bot apologizing for the delay.
yourapostasy 6y ago
Broadly, US customer service return policies, despite what we hear, is superlative compared to most of the rest of the world [1]. If you travel a lot, the kind of return policies Americans broadly enjoy are pretty much non-existent outside the US, due to a relatively unique history of retail and general trust. Culture is in general becoming a less pleasant, asshole-take-all experience because your "friend" embodies how trust and social fabric is corroded away. Not by big, monolithic, evil entities people like to rant upon here, but by everyday people like him making poor choices. Choose better decisions [2]. [1] https://qz.com/772273/the-sneaky-genius-of-americas-lenient-return-policies/ https://qz.com/772273/the-sneaky-genius-of-americas-lenient-... [2] https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/elal2/have_you_ever_picked_up_a_hitchhiker/c18z0z2/ https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/elal2/have_you_e...
- StavrosK 6y ago
  Neither I nor he live in the US, alas.
  - yourapostasy 6y ago
    Monetary systems are (very poorly designed, highly lossy) attempts to quantify trust in many dimensional axes. Corrode trust, then the cost of trade goes up. When I notice decisions made by people like what your friend does, if talking about it doesn't produce a change in choices, I instantly distance myself from them and then gradually cut them out of my life. Ethics is what you do when you think no one is looking on. Your mileage may vary, but personally, I have too little time in my life to spend on people who I have to worry about whether they will screw me over if the situation is just right. The cognitive load is not worth it.
- m463 6y ago
  It might not be trust or customer service... it might be that americans have rights afforded to them via credit card laws. You can initiate a chargeback against the vendor and get your money back. And for fraud... in the US you can lose max $50 to a credit card fraud incident ($500 if you are really negligent) by law. So I think americans enjoy protections not available in other parts of the world. I actually think this makes good sense. It eliminates the need for people "to take things into their own hands", or be overly cautious, so spending is increased. I think it was matt ridley's book the rational optimist (?) that said that trust correlates with trade.