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Knowledge creation and discovery is the engine of economies today. You might as well say "why don't you let everyone live in your house for free" People who cr

by cheez 6y ago

Knowledge creation and discovery is the engine of economies today. You might as well say "why don't you let everyone live in your house for free" People who create need to be able to benefit from that creation.

zozbot234 6y ago
Knowledge creation and discovery always builds on previously discovered and created knowledge. There are many ways of benefiting from this activity, even more so without a formal IP-based business strategy.
- cheez 6y ago
  Please, describe something sustainable that doesn't involve keeping it secret.
  - swayvil 6y ago
    Are there businesses built on open-source? I think I heard of such a thing but I haven't researched it.
    - DeonPenny 6y ago
      Not many successful ones in comparison.
      - swayvil 6y ago
        It's a prisoner's dilemma type situation.
        cheez 6y ago
        Also known as the natural order of things.
        swayvil 6y ago
        Sounds like an engineering challenge.
    - pabs3 6y ago
      Yes, the most notable one is RedHat: https://www.redhat.com/ https://www.redhat.com/ Some more are listed on the FOSSjobs wiki: https://github.com/fossjobs/fossjobs/wiki/resources#employers https://github.com/fossjobs/fossjobs/wiki/resources#employer...
  - ezVoodoo 6y ago
    GNU/Linux.
    - cheez 6y ago
      Aware of any cottage GNU/linux-like industries where people earn a living besides consulting?
matz1 6y ago
>People who create need to be able to benefit from that creation. I agree, its just the strategy can be changed to not rely on IP.
- api 6y ago
  Feel free to suggest one. Even things like Patreon likely would not work without copyright, as people would just steal the work and republish it on another medium. Open source business models couldn't work without copyright, and there is a minor rebellion underway in OSS against highly permissive licenses due to rampant corporate exploitation (e.g. "SaaSification" and rebranding and commercialization that robs the authors of even credit). Virtually every suggestion I have ever heard for a fix to this greatly underestimates the petty avarice of humanity. If it can be gamed or stolen, it will. Some people have to be forced to treat others fairly, and there are enough cheaters to destroy any pure goodwill based system the instant an attempt is made to scale beyond small communities. This is also why all goodwill based open protocols and systems are instantly destroyed by spam, trolling, and other bad faith usages as soon as they start to scale. Everyone is not an asshole, but it doesn't take many to burn things to the ground.
  - matz1 6y ago
    Some strategy I can think of: be the first to market, market yourself as the original creator, constant innovating, other people can copy but they can't control the updates and product roadmap, and you have the advantage of intimate knowledge of the product. Another strategy is to create personalized custom solution. This would be hard to copy, unless you can copy the creator brain.
    - oh_sigh 6y ago
      No one cares if you're the original if someone is offering the product for half the price because they paid $0 for R&D. This is a really pathetic viewpoint to hold and I wonder if you actually live your life by these standards.
      - 6y ago
swayvil 6y ago
>People who create need to be able to benefit from that creation. Only if they need that benefit. If they don't then they don't.

by cheez 6y ago

zozbot234 6y ago

Knowledge creation and discovery always builds on previously discovered and created knowledge. There are many ways of benefiting from this activity, even more so without a formal IP-based business strategy.

cheez 6y ago
Please, describe something sustainable that doesn't involve keeping it secret.
- swayvil 6y ago
  Are there businesses built on open-source? I think I heard of such a thing but I haven't researched it.
  - DeonPenny 6y ago
    Not many successful ones in comparison.
    - swayvil 6y ago
      It's a prisoner's dilemma type situation.
      - cheez 6y ago
        Also known as the natural order of things.
        swayvil 6y ago
        Sounds like an engineering challenge.
  - pabs3 6y ago
    Yes, the most notable one is RedHat: https://www.redhat.com/ https://www.redhat.com/ Some more are listed on the FOSSjobs wiki: https://github.com/fossjobs/fossjobs/wiki/resources#employers https://github.com/fossjobs/fossjobs/wiki/resources#employer...
- ezVoodoo 6y ago
  GNU/Linux.
  - cheez 6y ago
    Aware of any cottage GNU/linux-like industries where people earn a living besides consulting?

matz1 6y ago

>People who create need to be able to benefit from that creation. I agree, its just the strategy can be changed to not rely on IP.

api 6y ago
Feel free to suggest one. Even things like Patreon likely would not work without copyright, as people would just steal the work and republish it on another medium. Open source business models couldn't work without copyright, and there is a minor rebellion underway in OSS against highly permissive licenses due to rampant corporate exploitation (e.g. "SaaSification" and rebranding and commercialization that robs the authors of even credit). Virtually every suggestion I have ever heard for a fix to this greatly underestimates the petty avarice of humanity. If it can be gamed or stolen, it will. Some people have to be forced to treat others fairly, and there are enough cheaters to destroy any pure goodwill based system the instant an attempt is made to scale beyond small communities. This is also why all goodwill based open protocols and systems are instantly destroyed by spam, trolling, and other bad faith usages as soon as they start to scale. Everyone is not an asshole, but it doesn't take many to burn things to the ground.
- matz1 6y ago
  Some strategy I can think of: be the first to market, market yourself as the original creator, constant innovating, other people can copy but they can't control the updates and product roadmap, and you have the advantage of intimate knowledge of the product. Another strategy is to create personalized custom solution. This would be hard to copy, unless you can copy the creator brain.
  - oh_sigh 6y ago
    No one cares if you're the original if someone is offering the product for half the price because they paid $0 for R&D. This is a really pathetic viewpoint to hold and I wonder if you actually live your life by these standards.
    - 6y ago

swayvil 6y ago

>People who create need to be able to benefit from that creation. Only if they need that benefit. If they don't then they don't.