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What's wrong with sugar though? I also don't buy the cartoonishly simplistic claim that "coca-cola is unhealthy". Does it cause obsesity? It doesn't "cause obs

What's wrong with sugar though? I also don't buy the cartoonishly simplistic claim that "coca-cola is unhealthy". Does it cause obsesity? It doesn't "cause obsesity" in the same sense that ingesting more calories than you spend causes obsesity: It's not the coca-cola or the sugar by themselves.

yourkin 6y ago
The only thing wrong with sugar is overeating it to the point of ruining one's macro proportions and going into caloric surplus. Just saying that "sugar is unhealthy" is not true from a dietary perspective. A better statement would be "too much sugar is unhealthy".
- Mediterraneo10 6y ago
  Sugar also causes teeth caries.
- partyboat1586 6y ago
  True and the biggest cause of that is bread, pasta and other complex carbs. You can't drink enough orange juice to get the same amount of sugar as a bowl of pasta without feeling sick.
  - nojvek 6y ago
    Wait is bread and pasta, bad or good? I love bread and pasta.
    - partyboat1586 6y ago
      How do you feel after eating lots of bread and pasta?
      - nojvek 6y ago
        I seldom eat too much of anything, but bread makes me glee with happiness. I don’t think I’d like to live in a world without bread. I love how it smells, I love how it tastes, I love how satisfied I feel after eating freshly baked bread. Probably not the answer you’re expecting but damn I love avocado toast, pizza, naan, french toast, burger, croissants and any form of bread. I don’t care if I die a few years early, I love bread.
- loceng 6y ago
  Sugar and carbohydrates can severely negatively impact people, even in small amounts. "[INSERT FOOD] for some people is unhealthy at any amount" is what should be always said. People then have to determine what those foods and level of foods are, it could be accumulative as well - where too much of a few different foods may be too irritating to your system.
  - yourkin 6y ago
    Cheese has a high tyrosine content and turkey -- tryptophan. Should one always mention that those foods could cause adverse effects for people who are sensitive to those amino-acids? I think that's a bit over the top, like saying that walking is healthy, but not forgetting to mention, that it is not, for people with severe arthritis. That seems like a truism to me and if one has those type of ailments, they most likely know about it or should seek medical advice.
    - loceng 6y ago
      Do we ideally want an educated, self-aware population who have a better chance of self-regulating - or the opposite? Similarly do we want discourse to be more lazy and simplified or to be more detailed When is it coddling, when is it laziness?
mft_ 6y ago
A good place to start: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL5TLzNi5fYd-dBPvkjtfOvLHU86q5qZN6 https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL5TLzNi5fYd-dBPvkjtfO...
- partyboat1586 6y ago
  Sugar is readily accessible fuel, that's why you crave it. Complex carbohydrates and starches are the problem, not sugar. If you get a crash that's because you need to eat regularly, just like all the other primates. Fasting is an emergency state, not a normal one. Have you ever felt tired and out of whack after eating fruit? Have you seen the size of people on a fruitarian diet? (Spoiler, they loose a dangerous amount of weight). You don't get fat by eating fruit and having an occasional soda, you get fat by eating lots of pasta and bread. I challenge you to gain weight on a diet of steak and orange juice.
  - mft_ 6y ago
    > Sugar is readily accessible fuel, that's why you crave it. Complex carbohydrates and starches are the problem, not sugar. If you get a crash that's because you need to eat regularly, just like all the other primates. Fasting is an emergency state, not a normal one. If you get a 'crash', it's because your blood sugar level is too low. One way that this can happen is by eating refined (simple) carbs - aka sugars. The release of sugar into the blood-stream is fast, leading to a large release of insulin from the pancreas, which then drives the sugar in the blood stream into the cells, giving a consequent drop in blood sugar. Unless you then replenish the blood sugar you get a 'crash'. Far better is to eat in a way that doesn't give you that spike of blood sugar, so that the insulin response is less. > Have you ever felt tired and out of whack after eating fruit? No, not that I can think of specifically related to fruit. > Have you seen the size of people on a fruitarian diet? (Spoiler, they loose a dangerous amount of weight). Not sure what an anecdotal observation of people on a weird diet proves. > You don't get fat by eating fruit No-one said you did. And (spoiler) not all sugars are equal. Eating a piece of fruit is not the same as eating a piece of candy, just because they both contain (some wort of) sugar. > you get fat by eating lots of pasta and bread. (This is a weird and partly incorrect statement, but...) Who said this was about getting fat? There can be negative health effects from what someone eats, aside from weight gain. > I challenge you to gain weight on a diet of steak and orange juice. Not sure what this weird unbalanced diet would prove either?
shin_lao 6y ago
Sugar is in every processed food we eat, leading to an over-consumption of sugar. Sugar also has the tendency to make you want eat more of it, creating a negative feedback loop.

yourkin 6y ago

The only thing wrong with sugar is overeating it to the point of ruining one's macro proportions and going into caloric surplus. Just saying that "sugar is unhealthy" is not true from a dietary perspective. A better statement would be "too much sugar is unhealthy".

Mediterraneo10 6y ago
Sugar also causes teeth caries.
partyboat1586 6y ago
True and the biggest cause of that is bread, pasta and other complex carbs. You can't drink enough orange juice to get the same amount of sugar as a bowl of pasta without feeling sick.
- nojvek 6y ago
  Wait is bread and pasta, bad or good? I love bread and pasta.
  - partyboat1586 6y ago
    How do you feel after eating lots of bread and pasta?
    - nojvek 6y ago
      I seldom eat too much of anything, but bread makes me glee with happiness. I don’t think I’d like to live in a world without bread. I love how it smells, I love how it tastes, I love how satisfied I feel after eating freshly baked bread. Probably not the answer you’re expecting but damn I love avocado toast, pizza, naan, french toast, burger, croissants and any form of bread. I don’t care if I die a few years early, I love bread.
loceng 6y ago
Sugar and carbohydrates can severely negatively impact people, even in small amounts. "[INSERT FOOD] for some people is unhealthy at any amount" is what should be always said. People then have to determine what those foods and level of foods are, it could be accumulative as well - where too much of a few different foods may be too irritating to your system.
- yourkin 6y ago
  Cheese has a high tyrosine content and turkey -- tryptophan. Should one always mention that those foods could cause adverse effects for people who are sensitive to those amino-acids? I think that's a bit over the top, like saying that walking is healthy, but not forgetting to mention, that it is not, for people with severe arthritis. That seems like a truism to me and if one has those type of ailments, they most likely know about it or should seek medical advice.
  - loceng 6y ago
    Do we ideally want an educated, self-aware population who have a better chance of self-regulating - or the opposite? Similarly do we want discourse to be more lazy and simplified or to be more detailed When is it coddling, when is it laziness?

mft_ 6y ago

A good place to start: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL5TLzNi5fYd-dBPvkjtfOvLHU86q5qZN6 https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL5TLzNi5fYd-dBPvkjtfO...

partyboat1586 6y ago
Sugar is readily accessible fuel, that's why you crave it. Complex carbohydrates and starches are the problem, not sugar. If you get a crash that's because you need to eat regularly, just like all the other primates. Fasting is an emergency state, not a normal one. Have you ever felt tired and out of whack after eating fruit? Have you seen the size of people on a fruitarian diet? (Spoiler, they loose a dangerous amount of weight). You don't get fat by eating fruit and having an occasional soda, you get fat by eating lots of pasta and bread. I challenge you to gain weight on a diet of steak and orange juice.
- mft_ 6y ago
  > Sugar is readily accessible fuel, that's why you crave it. Complex carbohydrates and starches are the problem, not sugar. If you get a crash that's because you need to eat regularly, just like all the other primates. Fasting is an emergency state, not a normal one. If you get a 'crash', it's because your blood sugar level is too low. One way that this can happen is by eating refined (simple) carbs - aka sugars. The release of sugar into the blood-stream is fast, leading to a large release of insulin from the pancreas, which then drives the sugar in the blood stream into the cells, giving a consequent drop in blood sugar. Unless you then replenish the blood sugar you get a 'crash'. Far better is to eat in a way that doesn't give you that spike of blood sugar, so that the insulin response is less. > Have you ever felt tired and out of whack after eating fruit? No, not that I can think of specifically related to fruit. > Have you seen the size of people on a fruitarian diet? (Spoiler, they loose a dangerous amount of weight). Not sure what an anecdotal observation of people on a weird diet proves. > You don't get fat by eating fruit No-one said you did. And (spoiler) not all sugars are equal. Eating a piece of fruit is not the same as eating a piece of candy, just because they both contain (some wort of) sugar. > you get fat by eating lots of pasta and bread. (This is a weird and partly incorrect statement, but...) Who said this was about getting fat? There can be negative health effects from what someone eats, aside from weight gain. > I challenge you to gain weight on a diet of steak and orange juice. Not sure what this weird unbalanced diet would prove either?

shin_lao 6y ago

Sugar is in every processed food we eat, leading to an over-consumption of sugar. Sugar also has the tendency to make you want eat more of it, creating a negative feedback loop.