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It's really ironic how having suffered from microsoft monopolistic abuses in the past, they now do the EXACT same thing. And the worst is that higher managemen

by bsaul 6y ago

It's really ironic how having suffered from microsoft monopolistic abuses in the past, they now do the EXACT same thing. And the worst is that higher management probably convinced themselves they're not. Yeah, i believe only a trial will make them realize what they've become. PS: planning on buying a non-google non-apple phone in the future, after having had to buy a new iphone just so that i could install ios 13 and keep working (the old one being perfectly fine btw). Any advice ?

toohotatopic 6y ago
Apple has always been like that: https://www.folklore.org/StoryView.py?project=Macintosh&story=Diagnostic_Port.txt https://www.folklore.org/StoryView.py?project=Macintosh&stor... Of course they will relive their desktop experience because some other environment will at some point be better due to fierce competition. It's kind of their omen that the company with the bitten apple from paradise has to created a walled garden. The difference will be that there is no Steve to rescue them again. Funny thing is, their first logo was Newton's apple. Imagine the difference.
- sdenton4 6y ago
  Well, Newton's life was heavily influenced by an intellectual property battle over the invention of calculus, and he spent his later life hunting and executing counterfeiters, so, maybe appropriate after all? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Later_life_of_Isaac_Newton#Achievements_and_influence https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Later_life_of_Isaac_Newton#Ach...
- Wowfunhappy 6y ago
  While I see where you're coming from, I think there's a pretty big difference between software and hardware expandability. Anyone can write software for a Mac and run it, then and now. (Nowadays users need to right click to open apps from unidentified developers, but that's not so onerous.)
redsky17 6y ago
Have you considered SailfishOS? It can be run on a number of devices (including the PinePhone if that interests you): https://jolla.com/sailfishx/ https://jolla.com/sailfishx/ And more info about the PinePhone and it's OS support: https://wiki.pine64.org/index.php/PinePhone_Software_Releases https://wiki.pine64.org/index.php/PinePhone_Software_Release...
- eldaisfish 6y ago
  Jolla are selling sailfish for 50 euros and the official support is limited to Sony xperia phones. Personally, i have never paid for my cellphone OS and neither have the vast majority of people out there. When the instructions involve a bunch of convoluted commands and the terminal, Sailfish doesn't stand a chance. Like, their chances of growing in popularity are literally zero with this model.
Miraste 6y ago
The options I know of are the Pinephone and the Librem 5. They're various degrees of open source and secure. They're also slow, lack most software, require constant tinkering, and have terrible battery life. The pragmatic option is to get an Android phone you can install LineageOS on, use the fDroid store, and don't install Google services. This way you can sideload normal apps if you need them.
- encom 6y ago
  >Android phone you can install LineageOS on What would be good candidate phone for that? Is there a phone that is friendly towards hackers in that way?
  - bmarquez 6y ago
    Looking at the LineageOS downloads page OnePlus has strong support (as a ratio of the number of phones they released to the number of phones that are compatible). Another idea is to check XDA Developers and see which forums are most active. https://download.lineageos.org/ https://download.lineageos.org/
    - Tainnor 6y ago
      The OnePlus phones are good and they run on Lineage, but they do bundle google services by default. Of course, you can unlock the bootloader (wasn't too hard on the OP6, or the OPO before that, not sure about newer devices) and flash whatever you want, though, if you want to get rid of google services.
  - yorwba 6y ago
    The list of supported devices is here: https://wiki.lineageos.org/devices/ https://wiki.lineageos.org/devices/
  - worstenbrood 6y ago
    I just bought a oneplus pro 7 with lineage and microg and i love it !
  - 6y ago
defnotashton2 6y ago
One plus runs and android fork and pixels. Both have decent support with non bkoatware images that unlocked for a privacy kernel if you want.
zamalek 6y ago
> It's really ironic how having suffered from microsoft monopolistic abuses in the past, they now do the EXACT same thing. It is also extremely concerning how little backlash there is for this behavior, because that is what stopped Microsoft. > Any advice ? Last I checked, all Google phones (Pixel, Nexus) can be rooted/flashed in a supported manner. There's irony for you. You can't do anything about the binary blobs for the baseband/radio.
- mnky9800n 6y ago
  It was a different time man.
  - solarkraft 6y ago
    How so? I didn't get the chance to experience it.
    - mnky9800n 6y ago
      The government didn't just bend over and let companies do whatever they wanted every single time. They still fought back some of the time.
    - arvinsim 6y ago
      There are also a lot more people playing the stock market now than before. If one is a shareholder of a company, that gives incentive to defend them no matter what.
ben_w 6y ago
> just so that i could install ios 13 Can you install iOS 13 on a non-Apple phone? If not, why not just stay on iOS 12? What software requires that kind of upgrade and is available on a phone OS other than the iOS/Android duopoly?
- ericlewis 6y ago
  If I were to guess, they may need to develop against iOS 13. Or an application they rely on only works on iOS 13 now. But yeah the problem doesn’t get solved by moving devices.
- bsaul 6y ago
  i had to test the app i was developing for a customer on an iOS 13 device for some technical reasons (i used to not care for my previous apps). And my iphone 6 wouldn't install that version (which is another topic). As i said, i'm both an iphone user AND mobile professional developer. The first is quite easy to change, but the second will take a bit more time for me to get rid of Apple (or google).

by bsaul 6y ago

toohotatopic 6y ago

Apple has always been like that: https://www.folklore.org/StoryView.py?project=Macintosh&story=Diagnostic_Port.txt https://www.folklore.org/StoryView.py?project=Macintosh&stor... Of course they will relive their desktop experience because some other environment will at some point be better due to fierce competition. It's kind of their omen that the company with the bitten apple from paradise has to created a walled garden. The difference will be that there is no Steve to rescue them again. Funny thing is, their first logo was Newton's apple. Imagine the difference.

sdenton4 6y ago
Well, Newton's life was heavily influenced by an intellectual property battle over the invention of calculus, and he spent his later life hunting and executing counterfeiters, so, maybe appropriate after all? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Later_life_of_Isaac_Newton#Achievements_and_influence https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Later_life_of_Isaac_Newton#Ach...
Wowfunhappy 6y ago
While I see where you're coming from, I think there's a pretty big difference between software and hardware expandability. Anyone can write software for a Mac and run it, then and now. (Nowadays users need to right click to open apps from unidentified developers, but that's not so onerous.)

redsky17 6y ago

Have you considered SailfishOS? It can be run on a number of devices (including the PinePhone if that interests you): https://jolla.com/sailfishx/ https://jolla.com/sailfishx/ And more info about the PinePhone and it's OS support: https://wiki.pine64.org/index.php/PinePhone_Software_Releases https://wiki.pine64.org/index.php/PinePhone_Software_Release...

eldaisfish 6y ago
Jolla are selling sailfish for 50 euros and the official support is limited to Sony xperia phones. Personally, i have never paid for my cellphone OS and neither have the vast majority of people out there. When the instructions involve a bunch of convoluted commands and the terminal, Sailfish doesn't stand a chance. Like, their chances of growing in popularity are literally zero with this model.

Miraste 6y ago

The options I know of are the Pinephone and the Librem 5. They're various degrees of open source and secure. They're also slow, lack most software, require constant tinkering, and have terrible battery life. The pragmatic option is to get an Android phone you can install LineageOS on, use the fDroid store, and don't install Google services. This way you can sideload normal apps if you need them.

encom 6y ago
>Android phone you can install LineageOS on What would be good candidate phone for that? Is there a phone that is friendly towards hackers in that way?
- bmarquez 6y ago
  Looking at the LineageOS downloads page OnePlus has strong support (as a ratio of the number of phones they released to the number of phones that are compatible). Another idea is to check XDA Developers and see which forums are most active. https://download.lineageos.org/ https://download.lineageos.org/
  - Tainnor 6y ago
    The OnePlus phones are good and they run on Lineage, but they do bundle google services by default. Of course, you can unlock the bootloader (wasn't too hard on the OP6, or the OPO before that, not sure about newer devices) and flash whatever you want, though, if you want to get rid of google services.
- yorwba 6y ago
  The list of supported devices is here: https://wiki.lineageos.org/devices/ https://wiki.lineageos.org/devices/
- worstenbrood 6y ago
  I just bought a oneplus pro 7 with lineage and microg and i love it !
- 6y ago

defnotashton2 6y ago

One plus runs and android fork and pixels. Both have decent support with non bkoatware images that unlocked for a privacy kernel if you want.

zamalek 6y ago

> It's really ironic how having suffered from microsoft monopolistic abuses in the past, they now do the EXACT same thing. It is also extremely concerning how little backlash there is for this behavior, because that is what stopped Microsoft. > Any advice ? Last I checked, all Google phones (Pixel, Nexus) can be rooted/flashed in a supported manner. There's irony for you. You can't do anything about the binary blobs for the baseband/radio.

mnky9800n 6y ago
It was a different time man.
- solarkraft 6y ago
  How so? I didn't get the chance to experience it.
  - mnky9800n 6y ago
    The government didn't just bend over and let companies do whatever they wanted every single time. They still fought back some of the time.
  - arvinsim 6y ago
    There are also a lot more people playing the stock market now than before. If one is a shareholder of a company, that gives incentive to defend them no matter what.

ben_w 6y ago

> just so that i could install ios 13 Can you install iOS 13 on a non-Apple phone? If not, why not just stay on iOS 12? What software requires that kind of upgrade and is available on a phone OS other than the iOS/Android duopoly?

ericlewis 6y ago
If I were to guess, they may need to develop against iOS 13. Or an application they rely on only works on iOS 13 now. But yeah the problem doesn’t get solved by moving devices.
bsaul 6y ago
i had to test the app i was developing for a customer on an iOS 13 device for some technical reasons (i used to not care for my previous apps). And my iphone 6 wouldn't install that version (which is another topic). As i said, i'm both an iphone user AND mobile professional developer. The first is quite easy to change, but the second will take a bit more time for me to get rid of Apple (or google).