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As in a manhole cover in a street for maintenance.

• bogidon 6y ago
  Yes, yes. Seems like an outdated term. Downvotes accepted.
  • dogma1138 6y ago
    Fine personhole it is.
    • eli 6y ago
      "Maintenance Hole" actually, which is better because it's both more descriptive and not gendered.
      • oneplane 6y ago
        But what if manhole is just mankind hole? (It probably isn't, I didn't look it up). Man doesn't always mean male, or does it?
        • deathanatos 6y ago
          > Man doesn't always mean male, or does it? Not necessarily, but see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_neutrality_in_English#Debate https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_neutrality_in_English#D... The link is about the debate as it is, but I would also encourage the use of good faith in interpreting any speaker: that is, assuming a person referring to "mankind" likely means all humans without exclusion based on gender or sex, and requiring some other material evidence before presuming bias. I also wonder what these discussions are like in languages where most nouns are gendered, e.g., in French.
          • lloeki 6y ago
            Believe it or not, we introduced a variant of bash brace expansion (except with implicit braces and dots instead of commas) in our grammar, named it “écriture inclusive”, and called it a day. The way it kicks words previously loaded with neutrality in the curb but happened to have the same spelling as the gendered one, and entrenches a two-gender paradigm boggles the mind as to how it flies in the face of any form of inclusivity. That and I still don’t know how to read “le.a fermi.er.ère” aloud. It’s just as ridiculous as “cédérom” because Astérix puts up a show at standing against the invader.
          • still_grokking 6y ago
            No clue about French but in German they started to use both versions at the same time glued together in made-up "special" forms. It's like using "he/she" for every noun. This makes texts completely unreadable and you need even browser extensions[1] to not go crazy with all that gendered BS language! OK, I exaggerate, there are still people that don't try to be "politically correct" and still use proper language, and know that there is such a thing called "Generisches Maskulinum (English: generic masculine)"[2]. But in more "official" writings or in the media the brain dead double-forms are used up until the point you can't read such texts any more: Those double-forms (which are not correct German) cause constant knots in the head when trying to read a text that was fucked up this way. (Sorry for the strong words but one just can't formulate it differently. As the existence of that browser extensions shows clearly I'm not alone when it comes to going mad about that rape of language. Also often whole comment sections don't discuss a topic at hand but instead most people complain about the usage of broken "gendered" pseudo-politically-correct BS language. That noun-gendering is like a disease!) [1] https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/binnen-i-be-gone/ https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/binnen-i-be-g... [2] https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generisches_Maskulinum https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generisches_Maskulinum
            • jack1243star 6y ago
              Thanks for sharing. As a German learner this is quite fascinating to know.
        • bogidon 6y ago
          Viewpoints can be encoded in language https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Male_as_norm https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Male_as_norm
          • deleted 6y ago
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          • nyolfen 6y ago
            > In practice, grammatical gender exhibits a systematic structural bias that has made masculine forms the default for generic, non-gender-specific contexts. many instances of this are simply an artifact of 'man' previously being an un-gendered term. but that fact is much harder to build group cohesion around than grievance.
      • dyingkneepad 6y ago
        Until someone starts using the hole for a purpose that's not maintenance and we start arguing again :).
        • akimball 6y ago
          Or for something that is gendered.
    • iforgotpassword 6y ago
      Perchildhole.
  • SECProto 6y ago
    > Seems like an outdated term. Downvotes accepted. Manhole is, indeed, an outdated term. Generally the preferred term is "Maintenance Hole". Still abbreviated MH, and people in the field use all three interchangeably (much like metric/imperial). Source: I work with storm/sanitary/electrical maintenance holes.
  • dlivingston 6y ago
    Pick your battles. This isn’t a hill worth dying on (or even a hill worth getting slightly bruised on).
    • bogidon 6y ago
      Yeah agree. And I think we could agree replying "Ew" and loosing a little bit of HN karma does not constitute more than bruising. EDIT: didn't see the "or even" there. Disagree. I think the analogy can be drawn out a bit, so I'll say that a bruise can heal pretty quick, and one would adapt better to climbing "hills" if they exercised regularly. Plus maybe smaller hills should be climbed too.
    • brongondwana 6y ago
      I have learned that flat out telling people that a hill isn't worth dying on tends to cause a bunch of corpses to collect up - if you don't want a molehill covered in bodies you need to persuade them to go die somewhere else.
  • throwaway45349 6y ago
    This reads like the people who want to use "womxn" because the normal version is a superstring of "men".