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You can change 'republican' to 'democratic' in your comment, and it would still apply. You can also change 'budgets' and 'deficit' to 'war' and 'interventions'

by nickff 6y ago

You can change 'republican' to 'democratic' in your comment, and it would still apply. You can also change 'budgets' and 'deficit' to 'war' and 'interventions' (with either party), and it also works.

Daishiman 6y ago
No. Let's stop with this false equivalency. One party has done everything in its power to gerrymander, discredit the electoral process, and put lobbyists in power. One party has consistently appealed to racism. One party has appealed to discrediting the value of effective government.
- tashoecraft 6y ago
  Exactly, let's stop with there's bad people on both sides, that the "truth resides in the middle". While the democrats are very far from perfect and have tons of faults, the modern republican party is a disgrace.
  - JKCalhoun 6y ago
    "You're not hurting the right people," resonated because it rang true to most people. The Road Rage Party ... has seemed an appropriate way to describe the GOP in recent years.
- nickff 6y ago
  I didn't say it applied equally, just that it did apply. If I am guilty of something, it's whataboutism, not false equivalency, though I'm on neither of those sides, so I think I am innocent of all charges.
- Izkata 6y ago
  What I've seen over the past couple years: > in its power to gerrymander Republicans (I doubt anyone will complain about this one) > discredit the electoral process Primarily Democrats (National Popular Vote Interstate Compact, concern over mail-in voting prior to 2015, renewed concern over the past month or so), with some Republican (concern over mail-in ballots over the past half-year or so) > put lobbyists in power Honestly not paying much attention here > One party has consistently appealed to racism Democrats (probably the most prominent recent thing being Biden's "you ain't black", but there's plenty more) > One party has appealed to discrediting the value of effective government Not sure about the "appealed to", but between impeachment with no evidence and The Squad, I have to give this one to Democrats as well.
epistasis 6y ago
No, you can't exchange those with war and have it work for the Democrats, that's simply ridiculous. Democratic leadership favor many military intervention, it's just Republicans that falsely say that Democratic leadership does not favor militarism. Listen to leftists, and they will be pointing out these cases, because the Democratic leadership and power structure is consistent in support of militarism, whether or not the Democrats are in power, and leftists give them hell for it. Can you find diversity of opinion within political parties? Of course. But pointing to diversity of opinion is a hugely different thing than the leadership of parties swapping positions I'm supposed ideals like "fiscally conservative" depending on whether or not they are doing the spending.
- nickff 6y ago
  The Democratic party recently favored more military interventions into Syria than the Republicans, and has taken positions against withdrawals in Germany and South Korea. There have also been a few studies showing that the Democratic party is more 'peace-focused' when there is a Republican in the White House.

by nickff 6y ago

You can change 'republican' to 'democratic' in your comment, and it would still apply. You can also change 'budgets' and 'deficit' to 'war' and 'interventions' (with either party), and it also works.

Daishiman 6y ago

No. Let's stop with this false equivalency. One party has done everything in its power to gerrymander, discredit the electoral process, and put lobbyists in power. One party has consistently appealed to racism. One party has appealed to discrediting the value of effective government.

tashoecraft 6y ago
Exactly, let's stop with there's bad people on both sides, that the "truth resides in the middle". While the democrats are very far from perfect and have tons of faults, the modern republican party is a disgrace.
- JKCalhoun 6y ago
  "You're not hurting the right people," resonated because it rang true to most people. The Road Rage Party ... has seemed an appropriate way to describe the GOP in recent years.
nickff 6y ago
I didn't say it applied equally, just that it did apply. If I am guilty of something, it's whataboutism, not false equivalency, though I'm on neither of those sides, so I think I am innocent of all charges.
Izkata 6y ago
What I've seen over the past couple years: > in its power to gerrymander Republicans (I doubt anyone will complain about this one) > discredit the electoral process Primarily Democrats (National Popular Vote Interstate Compact, concern over mail-in voting prior to 2015, renewed concern over the past month or so), with some Republican (concern over mail-in ballots over the past half-year or so) > put lobbyists in power Honestly not paying much attention here > One party has consistently appealed to racism Democrats (probably the most prominent recent thing being Biden's "you ain't black", but there's plenty more) > One party has appealed to discrediting the value of effective government Not sure about the "appealed to", but between impeachment with no evidence and The Squad, I have to give this one to Democrats as well.

epistasis 6y ago

No, you can't exchange those with war and have it work for the Democrats, that's simply ridiculous. Democratic leadership favor many military intervention, it's just Republicans that falsely say that Democratic leadership does not favor militarism. Listen to leftists, and they will be pointing out these cases, because the Democratic leadership and power structure is consistent in support of militarism, whether or not the Democrats are in power, and leftists give them hell for it. Can you find diversity of opinion within political parties? Of course. But pointing to diversity of opinion is a hugely different thing than the leadership of parties swapping positions I'm supposed ideals like "fiscally conservative" depending on whether or not they are doing the spending.

nickff 6y ago
The Democratic party recently favored more military interventions into Syria than the Republicans, and has taken positions against withdrawals in Germany and South Korea. There have also been a few studies showing that the Democratic party is more 'peace-focused' when there is a Republican in the White House.