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> not that it stops people from trying Honestly this is the part I find most galling. My (and your) ISP is using the money I pay to them to fight a stupid, pro

> not that it stops people from trying Honestly this is the part I find most galling. My (and your) ISP is using the money I pay to them to fight a stupid, probably-losing lawsuit whose sole purpose is to injure me as a consumer. I'm paying to hurt myself, and I have no choice, because every ISP is fighting this battle.

jcranmer 6y ago
It's not the ISP who's fighting the lawsuit, it's the FCC. So your glorious tax money is funding this. I don't know if that should make you feel better or worse.
- coldpie 6y ago
  I admit I'm not great at legal stuff, but the article I read stated the broadband industry is involved: "The Trump administration and broadband industry are resuming their fight against California's net neutrality law, with the US Department of Justice and ISP lobby groups filing new complaints against the state yesterday." "Now that the Trump administration and broadband industry have filed amended complaints..." "The broadband industry's amended complaint was filed by the major lobby groups representing cable, fiber, DSL, and mobile Internet providers." https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2020/08/trump-admin-and-isps-restart-lawsuit-against-california-net-neutrality-law/ https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2020/08/trump-admin-and-... Here is the complaint itself, with plaintiffs "AMERICAN CABLE ASSOCIATION, CTIA – THE WIRELESS ASSOCIATION, NCTA – THE INTERNET & TELEVISION ASSOCIATION, and USTELECOM – THE BROADBAND ASSOCIATION, on behalf of their members": https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.caed.344150/gov.uscourts.caed.344150.52.0.pdf https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.caed.344150... If I'm reading this right, the FCC filed a separate complaint. So you're right: I (and you) am paying to hurt myself, twice! Awesome.
  - takeda 6y ago
    Yes, they are involved, they are sending their people to bribe officials to fight this fight for them.
- xmprt 6y ago
  Lobbying is a thing so in a way the money they're paying their ISP is also going towards the fight.
takeda 6y ago
It's not ISPs that are paying it (except for brib... I mean lobbying). This is actually worse, if you're a Californian you're paying for both sides of the argument.

jcranmer 6y ago

It's not the ISP who's fighting the lawsuit, it's the FCC. So your glorious tax money is funding this. I don't know if that should make you feel better or worse.

coldpie 6y ago
I admit I'm not great at legal stuff, but the article I read stated the broadband industry is involved: "The Trump administration and broadband industry are resuming their fight against California's net neutrality law, with the US Department of Justice and ISP lobby groups filing new complaints against the state yesterday." "Now that the Trump administration and broadband industry have filed amended complaints..." "The broadband industry's amended complaint was filed by the major lobby groups representing cable, fiber, DSL, and mobile Internet providers." https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2020/08/trump-admin-and-isps-restart-lawsuit-against-california-net-neutrality-law/ https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2020/08/trump-admin-and-... Here is the complaint itself, with plaintiffs "AMERICAN CABLE ASSOCIATION, CTIA – THE WIRELESS ASSOCIATION, NCTA – THE INTERNET & TELEVISION ASSOCIATION, and USTELECOM – THE BROADBAND ASSOCIATION, on behalf of their members": https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.caed.344150/gov.uscourts.caed.344150.52.0.pdf https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.caed.344150... If I'm reading this right, the FCC filed a separate complaint. So you're right: I (and you) am paying to hurt myself, twice! Awesome.
- takeda 6y ago
  Yes, they are involved, they are sending their people to bribe officials to fight this fight for them.
xmprt 6y ago
Lobbying is a thing so in a way the money they're paying their ISP is also going towards the fight.

takeda 6y ago

It's not ISPs that are paying it (except for brib... I mean lobbying). This is actually worse, if you're a Californian you're paying for both sides of the argument.