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Submitted here yesterday, but it was removed very quickly, presumably because it originally said "blacklist" and "whitelist": https://news.ycombinator.com/item?

Submitted here yesterday, but it was removed very quickly, presumably because it originally said "blacklist" and "whitelist": https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24043175 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24043175 EDIT: Looks like this post is marked as [flagged] now.

coolspot 6y ago
That post doesn’t seem to be removed though? Just lacks upvotes to be on the front page.
- readarticle 6y ago
  This site gives me such major deja vu that I’m genuinely beginning to question my memory seeing shit like this. I swear I read this exact same thread yesterday about the repost, I swear I read this exact same fucking comment yesterday but it says coolspot posted it 10 minutes ago. Am I going insane?
  - mcrittenden 6y ago
    Um, yeah, author here, and I'm not sure what is going on. I posted this yesterday (over 24h ago) but now it says it was posted 3 hours ago. Maybe a moderator renewed it or something? Is that possible?
    - detaro 6y ago
      > Maybe a moderator renewed it or something? Is that possible? Yes, but I would have expected that they sent you an email about that. (the post ID in the url is also clearly out of order compared to other submissions from today - which is exactly what happens if mods bump it)
      - dang 6y ago
        We don't always send an email, just sometimes. Usually when I happen to think of it.
  - dang 6y ago
    Sorry - you're running into the glitch in the Matrix which is HN timestamp relativization on re-upped threads. More explanation at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11662380 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11662380 and https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19774614 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19774614. It leads to occasional confusion, but we haven't figured out a better way, and not doing it leads to worse confusion. You can always see the original timestamp via URLs other than the front page and the /item page. For example https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=mcrittenden https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=mcrittenden shows the comment you were talking about as "1 day ago", and https://news.ycombinator.com/from?site=critter.blog https://news.ycombinator.com/from?site=critter.blog (which you can get at by clicking on the domain in the title) shows the same for the submission.
dkdk8283 6y ago
Something that shouldn’t have happened here IMO.
bbotond 6y ago
Hacker News is the last place I would expect that to happen. Maybe it was removed for some other readon.
- mcrittenden 6y ago
  To be clear, I mean that my guess is that it was auto-removed because it got flagged by users for that reason.
  - watwut 6y ago
    It is not marked as flagged? The posts that were flagged have flagged written in the header.
    - detaro 6y ago
      Not necessarily. for the [flagged] to appear it requires a certain threshold of flags, but the ranking is affected before that.
happytoexplain 6y ago
That's quite a "presumably".
CydeWeys 6y ago
Now this one has disappeared off the front page too. I think it's being removed by automod because most of the comments are turning into downvote-heavy low-quality bickering over use of the terms allowlist/denylist vs whitelist/blacklist. Automod tends to disfavor posts with comment sections that turn into bickering (which is roughly approximated by ratio of downvotes to upvotes). EDIT: Aaaaand now it's flagged. I don't know it automod does that too, or if that's explicitly a user thing, or even a mod thing. I wonder if users who don't like the terms are flagging it?
- happytoexplain 6y ago
  >users who don't like the terms are flagging it? Charitably, it's been flagged by users who don't like the terms and/or don't like the quality of the discussion of the terms. I think it's a shame that so many simple disagreements have to be so bitterly socio-political.
  - CydeWeys 6y ago
    Yeah, that too. I just wish we could get past the transitional reactionary phase already, wherein the mere use of these new phrases triggers endless arguments, and people (who clearly know what the terms mean) can just get over it and let them pass without content. Maybe the mods should step in with some guidance. They already don't like extended discussions of politics because it devolves into flame wars too easily; maybe they should enforce the same on discussions of whitelist/blacklist/master/slave/etc terminology? Like, just let people use the new terms, no arguing about it?
    - SpicyLemonZest 6y ago
      I think that rule would be pretty widely considered unacceptable, since it would also prohibit comments like "hey, you should use 'allowlist' rather than 'whitelist'". It's not an issue that many people are willing to accept neutrality on these days.

coolspot 6y ago

That post doesn’t seem to be removed though? Just lacks upvotes to be on the front page.

readarticle 6y ago
This site gives me such major deja vu that I’m genuinely beginning to question my memory seeing shit like this. I swear I read this exact same thread yesterday about the repost, I swear I read this exact same fucking comment yesterday but it says coolspot posted it 10 minutes ago. Am I going insane?
- mcrittenden 6y ago
  Um, yeah, author here, and I'm not sure what is going on. I posted this yesterday (over 24h ago) but now it says it was posted 3 hours ago. Maybe a moderator renewed it or something? Is that possible?
  - detaro 6y ago
    > Maybe a moderator renewed it or something? Is that possible? Yes, but I would have expected that they sent you an email about that. (the post ID in the url is also clearly out of order compared to other submissions from today - which is exactly what happens if mods bump it)
    - dang 6y ago
      We don't always send an email, just sometimes. Usually when I happen to think of it.
- dang 6y ago
  Sorry - you're running into the glitch in the Matrix which is HN timestamp relativization on re-upped threads. More explanation at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11662380 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11662380 and https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19774614 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19774614. It leads to occasional confusion, but we haven't figured out a better way, and not doing it leads to worse confusion. You can always see the original timestamp via URLs other than the front page and the /item page. For example https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=mcrittenden https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=mcrittenden shows the comment you were talking about as "1 day ago", and https://news.ycombinator.com/from?site=critter.blog https://news.ycombinator.com/from?site=critter.blog (which you can get at by clicking on the domain in the title) shows the same for the submission.

dkdk8283 6y ago

Something that shouldn’t have happened here IMO.

bbotond 6y ago

Hacker News is the last place I would expect that to happen. Maybe it was removed for some other readon.

mcrittenden 6y ago
To be clear, I mean that my guess is that it was auto-removed because it got flagged by users for that reason.
- watwut 6y ago
  It is not marked as flagged? The posts that were flagged have flagged written in the header.
  - detaro 6y ago
    Not necessarily. for the [flagged] to appear it requires a certain threshold of flags, but the ranking is affected before that.

happytoexplain 6y ago

That's quite a "presumably".

CydeWeys 6y ago

Now this one has disappeared off the front page too. I think it's being removed by automod because most of the comments are turning into downvote-heavy low-quality bickering over use of the terms allowlist/denylist vs whitelist/blacklist. Automod tends to disfavor posts with comment sections that turn into bickering (which is roughly approximated by ratio of downvotes to upvotes). EDIT: Aaaaand now it's flagged. I don't know it automod does that too, or if that's explicitly a user thing, or even a mod thing. I wonder if users who don't like the terms are flagging it?

happytoexplain 6y ago
>users who don't like the terms are flagging it? Charitably, it's been flagged by users who don't like the terms and/or don't like the quality of the discussion of the terms. I think it's a shame that so many simple disagreements have to be so bitterly socio-political.
- CydeWeys 6y ago
  Yeah, that too. I just wish we could get past the transitional reactionary phase already, wherein the mere use of these new phrases triggers endless arguments, and people (who clearly know what the terms mean) can just get over it and let them pass without content. Maybe the mods should step in with some guidance. They already don't like extended discussions of politics because it devolves into flame wars too easily; maybe they should enforce the same on discussions of whitelist/blacklist/master/slave/etc terminology? Like, just let people use the new terms, no arguing about it?
  - SpicyLemonZest 6y ago
    I think that rule would be pretty widely considered unacceptable, since it would also prohibit comments like "hey, you should use 'allowlist' rather than 'whitelist'". It's not an issue that many people are willing to accept neutrality on these days.