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Long ago I did Wordpress sites, and I learned that no matter how nice of an admin interface I made to let the client modify their own site, they would always ca

by woah 6y ago

Long ago I did Wordpress sites, and I learned that no matter how nice of an admin interface I made to let the client modify their own site, they would always call us to change even the tiniest things.

seibelj 6y ago
I trade my software skills to my personal trainer for free workout sessions, and it's so true. He isn't a dumb guy, he's young and runs his own socials, but makes me do every single text change and minor tweak to his Squarespace site. It's worth it for some free sessions but it would be a lot faster turnaround if he just learned to do it himself.
- wintermutestwin 6y ago
  Considering that Squarespace doesn't have backup/restore functionality (!!!!), maybe it is wise for him to have you just "make it so."
  - sitkack 6y ago
    Are you kidding? One of the single most useful features that make computers useful, restoring from a bad state, is missing from Squarespace. I am embarrassed for them. > Copy and paste text to another location, like a text document or a Google Doc. Wow.
- rgoulter 6y ago
  I'd say there are probably two things your trainer can't currently do, that you can. (Of course, if your trainer was interested and put in the effort, he probably could). One is: have a good intuition/model for what will need to be changed. (What will need to be changed and what effect that might have). Another is: confidence that he'll be able to resolve any problem he might get into. (That's not even considering that programming, I think, gets an aura of nerdy/hard, when a lot of it is very accessible).
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browsergap 6y ago
Interesting. I think because "no code" doesn't actually empower people. Seems paradoxical but it's not. Belief empowers, without that you think, I might break it, and that will be terrible. You can't break a spreadsheet.
- joshspankit 6y ago
  Clearly you’ve never tried to have multiple people work on a super important and also macro-ridden xls file. Spreadsheets can absolutely get broken
  - skellystudios 6y ago
    Definitely that. Also: ever had to write in all caps "Don't touch this column!" to stop people breaking your formulas. Giving people access to your sheet can be like giving them access to your SQL database.
  - sct202 6y ago
    The nice thing with spreadsheets is people can also rescue themselves by saving off copies... but the flipside is that there are 10 versions and no one remembers which one is the good one.
  - browsergap 6y ago
    Clearly you didn't see what I mean. I mean you can't break the "app". A spreadsheet app like Excel runs and it's literally like a kid's sandbox where you can do stuff in the sheet and Excel will just keep chugging. And if Excel breaks hey it ain't your fault. My point is people don't want the responsibility us devs have to build "apps" that they are afraid they will make broken. I think we probably don't need no code tools to help people build "apps" we need a more expressive executable document the combine stuff from the web, Microsoft word documents and Excel into something that's a little more powerful and fits today's use cases. Just my two cents. Feel free to try to crucify me cuz my views differ to yours.
    - joshspankit 6y ago

by woah 6y ago

seibelj 6y ago

I trade my software skills to my personal trainer for free workout sessions, and it's so true. He isn't a dumb guy, he's young and runs his own socials, but makes me do every single text change and minor tweak to his Squarespace site. It's worth it for some free sessions but it would be a lot faster turnaround if he just learned to do it himself.

wintermutestwin 6y ago
Considering that Squarespace doesn't have backup/restore functionality (!!!!), maybe it is wise for him to have you just "make it so."
- sitkack 6y ago
  Are you kidding? One of the single most useful features that make computers useful, restoring from a bad state, is missing from Squarespace. I am embarrassed for them. > Copy and paste text to another location, like a text document or a Google Doc. Wow.
rgoulter 6y ago
I'd say there are probably two things your trainer can't currently do, that you can. (Of course, if your trainer was interested and put in the effort, he probably could). One is: have a good intuition/model for what will need to be changed. (What will need to be changed and what effect that might have). Another is: confidence that he'll be able to resolve any problem he might get into. (That's not even considering that programming, I think, gets an aura of nerdy/hard, when a lot of it is very accessible).

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browsergap 6y ago

Interesting. I think because "no code" doesn't actually empower people. Seems paradoxical but it's not. Belief empowers, without that you think, I might break it, and that will be terrible. You can't break a spreadsheet.

joshspankit 6y ago
Clearly you’ve never tried to have multiple people work on a super important and also macro-ridden xls file. Spreadsheets can absolutely get broken
- skellystudios 6y ago
  Definitely that. Also: ever had to write in all caps "Don't touch this column!" to stop people breaking your formulas. Giving people access to your sheet can be like giving them access to your SQL database.
- sct202 6y ago
  The nice thing with spreadsheets is people can also rescue themselves by saving off copies... but the flipside is that there are 10 versions and no one remembers which one is the good one.
- browsergap 6y ago
  Clearly you didn't see what I mean. I mean you can't break the "app". A spreadsheet app like Excel runs and it's literally like a kid's sandbox where you can do stuff in the sheet and Excel will just keep chugging. And if Excel breaks hey it ain't your fault. My point is people don't want the responsibility us devs have to build "apps" that they are afraid they will make broken. I think we probably don't need no code tools to help people build "apps" we need a more expressive executable document the combine stuff from the web, Microsoft word documents and Excel into something that's a little more powerful and fits today's use cases. Just my two cents. Feel free to try to crucify me cuz my views differ to yours.
  - joshspankit 6y ago