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Almost every kid at my daughter's elementary school has TikTok installed and they are all under 13. If you have an Android phone, they do basically no verificat

Almost every kid at my daughter's elementary school has TikTok installed and they are all under 13. If you have an Android phone, they do basically no verification to register and then if you go to your Google Account you can see that they share your email and personal data with TikTok. This is a major COPPA violation. Does this mean Microsoft may soon be the biggest violator of COPPA in the US?

SpicyLemonZest 6y ago
The FTC's guidance specifically allows services to rely on a user's self-reported age. See https://www.ftc.gov/tips-advice/business-center/guidance/complying-coppa-frequently-asked-questions-0 https://www.ftc.gov/tips-advice/business-center/guidance/com..., under the heading "Will the COPPA Rule prevent children from lying about their age to register for general audience sites or online services whose terms of service prohibit their participation?"
0xy 6y ago
Every company does this. Discord, Twitter, Instagram all have scores of children under 13 on their platforms. As long as they did reasonable CYA then they cannot really be held accountable.
8organicbits 6y ago
In practice, can't that easily be resolved by prompting each user to verify they are at least 13 years old, enter their age, or enter their birthday?
- deleted 6y ago
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- cable2600 6y ago
  Enter their birthday. My son and his friends and cousins always enter the year of their birthday as 1955 so that they appear to be old men when they were under 13. They never answer honestly and it is like having a fake ID. Microsoft used to have a Passport service that could verify a user, just add in an ID to verify age scan your driver's license or whatever and send it to Microsoft passport. It is an extra step but you don't want the kiddies looking at nudes and violence and hate speech.
nl 6y ago
> basically no verification That's what the law is. See item 12 here: https://www.ftc.gov/tips-advice/business-center/guidance/complying-coppa-frequently-asked-questions-0#A.%20General%20Questions https://www.ftc.gov/tips-advice/business-center/guidance/com...
alicemaz 6y ago
didn't you use the internet way before you were 13? it boggles my mind why people care about this
- addandsubtract 6y ago
  Anyone over 35 most likely didn't use the internet before they were 13. I know, hard to believe that people are older than the internet.
  - erik_seaberg 6y ago
    I'm 50, and there were no commercial ISPs before I first got Internet access (also BITNET) at my university.
judge2020 6y ago
Google accounts set up with "Family Link" (for users under 13 year old) can't use the "Sign In with Google" feature, so it's safe to assume/hide behind "Google did age verification".
mike00632 6y ago
To be clear, I think you mean "email address" when you say that TikTok has access to "email". They don't actually have access to email, and I know the distinction is well understood here but it seems most of the United States is being lead to believe that TikTok can read the contents of GMail because of some sneaky Terms of Use agreement.

SpicyLemonZest 6y ago

The FTC's guidance specifically allows services to rely on a user's self-reported age. See https://www.ftc.gov/tips-advice/business-center/guidance/complying-coppa-frequently-asked-questions-0 https://www.ftc.gov/tips-advice/business-center/guidance/com..., under the heading "Will the COPPA Rule prevent children from lying about their age to register for general audience sites or online services whose terms of service prohibit their participation?"

0xy 6y ago

Every company does this. Discord, Twitter, Instagram all have scores of children under 13 on their platforms. As long as they did reasonable CYA then they cannot really be held accountable.

8organicbits 6y ago

In practice, can't that easily be resolved by prompting each user to verify they are at least 13 years old, enter their age, or enter their birthday?

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cable2600 6y ago
Enter their birthday. My son and his friends and cousins always enter the year of their birthday as 1955 so that they appear to be old men when they were under 13. They never answer honestly and it is like having a fake ID. Microsoft used to have a Passport service that could verify a user, just add in an ID to verify age scan your driver's license or whatever and send it to Microsoft passport. It is an extra step but you don't want the kiddies looking at nudes and violence and hate speech.

nl 6y ago

> basically no verification That's what the law is. See item 12 here: https://www.ftc.gov/tips-advice/business-center/guidance/complying-coppa-frequently-asked-questions-0#A.%20General%20Questions https://www.ftc.gov/tips-advice/business-center/guidance/com...

alicemaz 6y ago

didn't you use the internet way before you were 13? it boggles my mind why people care about this

addandsubtract 6y ago
Anyone over 35 most likely didn't use the internet before they were 13. I know, hard to believe that people are older than the internet.
- erik_seaberg 6y ago
  I'm 50, and there were no commercial ISPs before I first got Internet access (also BITNET) at my university.

judge2020 6y ago

Google accounts set up with "Family Link" (for users under 13 year old) can't use the "Sign In with Google" feature, so it's safe to assume/hide behind "Google did age verification".

mike00632 6y ago

To be clear, I think you mean "email address" when you say that TikTok has access to "email". They don't actually have access to email, and I know the distinction is well understood here but it seems most of the United States is being lead to believe that TikTok can read the contents of GMail because of some sneaky Terms of Use agreement.