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Random boats swarming is absolutely insane This is a RESCUE operation and they're getting in the way. Not to mention, there's still plenty of extremely poison
by inamberclad 6y ago
Random boats swarming is absolutely insane
This is a RESCUE operation and they're getting in the way.
Not to mention, there's still plenty of extremely poisonous UDMH on that thing.
- enraged_camel 6y agoYeah, crazy. https://twitter.com/EmreKelly/status/1290001490866708480 https://twitter.com/EmreKelly/status/1290001490866708480
- lnx01 6y agoIt's DNTO actually
- HPsquared 6y agoThat's the oxidiser, although the fuel (also according to Wikipedia) is MMH, not UDMH... It's probably just as dangerous though!
- avmich 6y agoProbably more dangerous, nitrogen tetroxide is mostly strong oxidizer... while hydrazine is carcinogenic.
- saberience 6y agoNTO will kill you if you breathe too much in, it's an oxidizer yes, but it's also highly toxic.
- MPSimmons 6y agoAnd "too much" is measured in a relatively small parts per million.
- justin66 6y agoThey're Floridians. They've fortified their immune systems by huffing bath salts and committing acts of cannibalism. It's baffling watching commentators describing the dangerously elevated levels of nitrogen tetroxide juxtaposed with the crew members wandering around in short sleeves.
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- irontinkerer 6y ago> They've fortified their immune systems by huffing bath salts and committing acts of cannibalism. That was one person, 10 years ago. > It's baffling watching commentators describing the dangerously elevated levels of nitrogen tetroxide juxtaposed with the crew members wandering around in short sleeves. And don't forget the cotton masks!
- serf 6y ago> They're Floridians. They've fortified their immune systems by huffing bath salts and committing acts of cannibalism. Replace Floridian with any other regional group of people, and maybe you'll see that the only reason you get away with saying something so hateful is because the public sentiment towards Florida has shifted in recent years. Now here's the real question I propose : Because public opinion has made it okay to make fun of a group of people, are you personally okay with bringing the conversation down to that level? Personally speaking, I'm not. I humbly ask you to reassess your urge to discriminate against an entire group of people, just because they happen to have rolled the dice and landed on Florida.
- mulmen 6y agoThere’s a disappointing lack of awareness On the part of these “Florida man” commenters that this amazing feat took place in Florida. Yes, there are teams all over the country that worked on this mission but it launched from and returned to Florida, like hundreds of manned missions before. Show some respect for the thousands of Floridians that have contributed to the space coast.
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- dylan604 6y agoYou can't exactly blame their curiosity. They are Floridians, so it's not like there's a lot common sense though. "Florida Man assists SpaceX recovery!" You know that during launches, people would attempt to get a closer view as well if it wasn't so secure. Look at the nimrods that encroach airport landings to feel the jet wash. Next time, there will probably be a larger escort fleet though.
- jmcqk6 6y agoSo they're not responsible for their own dumbassery? They made a choice, and I really hope there are consequences for their decision.
- dylan604 6y agoSorry I didn't come out and say they were dumbasses, but I assumed that applied by referring to Florida Man it was inferred. Read in between the lines a little better.
- Shared404 6y agoMy understanding is that the reason there are so many stories like this out of Florida is that the police records are more open to the press... Seems like a good thing to me, obviously not $STUPID_THING_SOMEONE_DID, but the openness.
- serf 6y ago>They are Floridians, so it's not like there's a lot common sense though. I downvoted you; this kind of brash generalization about people because of their regional locality shouldn't be encouraged. It's expressing a silly and un-true meme as if it were the reality for all people living in Florida. You aren't the only one in this thread to do so, either. I hope in the future that anyone , anywhere in the world, will double think when they say "X is from Y, they must be Z", because it's never true for the herd.
- mholt 6y agoI don't know how anything works, but where is the Coast Guard and/or Navy? Isn't security their job?
- ceejayoz 6y agoI suspect there'll be Coast Guard there next time.
- Someone 6y agoWhy would security of commercial space flights be a Navy or Coast Guard job? If they have to get involved, IMO, they should send SpaceX the bill.
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- elcritch 6y agoThe occupants are NASA astronauts, and SpaceX was hired by NASA to carry them so it’s a clear case of public interest, IMHO. Also if they did bill them NASA would just get the bill and probably marked up.
- sushshshsh 6y agoAnd yet nothing bad happened
- JumpCrisscross 6y ago> yet nothing bad happened Most of the time, letting your kids play in a Superfund site won’t lead to a bad outcome. That doesn’t make it sensible. Hydrazine didn’t leak this time. That’s good. But it’s a stupid dice to roll.
- gpm 6y ago> Also if they did bill them NASA would just get the bill and probably marked up. It's a fixed cost contract, while SpaceX might push back on accepting the bill in the first place, they are unlikely to be able to redirect it to NASA if they choose to accept the bill. Of course, I would expect to see this cost reflected in all future contracts they and anyone else signs with NASA.
- BooneJS 6y agoUninformed prediction: next landing site will be further from shore.
- imglorp 6y agoThe host hinted maybe they wouldn't announce it publicly next time either.
- savrajsingh 6y agoShocking to see private boats next to the capsule right after it had splashed down. Where’s the common sense to remain at a safe distance?
- HenryKissinger 6y ago1) People don't like to be excluded. 2) Bragging rights.
- iso947 6y agoSeems main reason was political advertising for one of the candidates
- irontinkerer 6y ago> Seems main reason was political advertising How do you get from 1 of ~20 boats waving a flag to "main reason"?
- dillonmckay 6y agoThe article did say Florida.
- joezydeco 6y agoSpaceX commentator: “I guess next time we shouldn’t publicize the landing coordinates...”
- TigeriusKirk 6y agoThey have to declare a hazard zone don't they? I suppose they could make it big enough to reduce the risk of anyone finding the actual landing area.
- nordsieck 6y ago> I suppose they could make it big enough to reduce the risk of anyone finding the actual landing area. They probably have to make it as small as possible to minimize disruption to the public. The right solution is probably to just have more Coast Guard on hand.
- JshWright 6y agoThey have to publish it in order to warn planes and boats to stay out of the area (for the vast majority of people that respect those notices).
- coryfklein 6y agoPublicizing means to amplify the information availability, publish merely means making it available.
- vvanders 6y agoReading about how toxic thruster fuel is was a real eye opener for me, bunch of god damn idiots in those boats. If I recall right the SR-71 used similar propellants to get the afterburners lit which made fueling... interesting.
- skykooler 6y agoThe SR-71 used triethylborane to light its engines, which is also used by SpaceX to light the main engines (in combination with triethylaluminum); these are also toxic chemicals, but different from the hydrazine and nitrogen tetroxide used onboard the Dragon.
- vvanders 6y agoYeah, hence why I said "similar" they're both hypergolic if I remember correctly.
- MPSimmons 6y agoSmall nit, but TEATEB isn't hypergolic, it's pyrophoric. Hypergolic indicates when when two propellants (a fuel and an oxidizer) come in contact with each other, they ignite spontaneously. Pyrophoric indicates that the fuel ignites when it contacts air (no oxidizer needed in a normal Earth atmosphere).
- vvanders 6y agoIt's listed as one of the more common[1] hypergolic propellants with LOX, pyrophoric is pretty much a superset of hypergolic(just that earth air brings the oxidizer "for free"). [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypergolic_propellant#Common https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypergolic_propellant#Common
- foota 6y agoI believe you mean subset, yes? In that some subset of hypergolic materials have a component of air as their oxidizer and are therefore pyrophoric.
- jccooper 6y agoAll previous splashdowns have been much further from shore and, moreover, done by squadrons of US Navy ships, so this really hasn't come up before. You don't really take your bass boat up to an aircraft carrier a few hundred miles offshore. I expect they'll have more than one Coast Guard vessel on hand next time, and will probably look into not publicizing the landing zone.
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- taf2 6y agoReminds me of the time I was helping move a boat and we were in the Gulf Stream when we saw an air craft carrier off in the distance. They launched a helicopter and buzzed us was pretty cool day
- ridgeguy 6y agoIt'll be hard to not publicize the LZ. NOTAMS (aircraft exclusion zone) and maritime exclusion zones are public documents. They're essentially map coordinates for the LZ. I think you're right about there being some CG vessels around for the next landing.
- jccooper 6y agoTrue, though they could publish several zones and not announce which will be used. Though the transponders from various ships would eventually give that away. But even if it's not technically secret there's a big difference between a NOTAM and putting out press releases with specific locations, which they did this time.
- marmshallow 6y agoHere's a link to that part of the stream if anyone's interested. https://youtu.be/H-l6f4wcv2I?t=27524 https://youtu.be/H-l6f4wcv2I?t=27524 It is _extremely_ aggravating.
- markdown 6y agoThe link doesn't take one where you say it will take them.
- johnyzee 6y agoThat's insane. When I saw the stream, I thought those were official vessels. The SpaceX commentators were cool and didn't make a big deal about it. To think that random people would have so little self awareness is mindboggling.
- mcv 6y agoSpaceX comentators were cool about everything, but they were pretty clear that some of those boats were too close and were told to back off. I can totally understand that people want to see this. People also come to see launches, so why not this? But really, from a safe distance. Make sure you don't interfere in any way with the operation, and listen to instructions. It seems one of the lessons is that if they continue to do splashdowns here, they need better spectator control.
- WatchDog 6y agoGiven how far away the camera is, it's hard to tell how close the boats really are to the capsule.
- js2 6y agohttps://mobile.twitter.com/jeff_foust/status/1290002824349102080/photo/1 https://mobile.twitter.com/jeff_foust/status/129000282434910... Close enough that they had to be asked to back off after having already ignored Coast Guard requests. ———— As the capsule bobbed in the water, a recovery team instructed the boaters to stay away. The Coast Guard warned boaters to stay clear of the area in a radio broadcast two hours before the splashdown, said the spokesman, Petty Officer Third Class John Michelli. “With limited assets available and with no formal authority to establish zones that would stop boaters from entering the area,” he said, “numerous boaters ignored the Coast Guard crews’ requests and decided to encroach the area, putting themselves and those involved in the operation in potential danger.” https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/02/us/flag-boat-SpaceX.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/02/us/flag-boat-SpaceX.html
- WatchDog 6y agoThey looked pretty harmless to me, although I suspect future landings will have a larger coast guard presence.