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Yeah, it's pretty much this in a nutshell. That's what is eventually going to shut down this whole 'cancel culture' issue, when people realise that the vocal mi

by CM30 6y ago

Yeah, it's pretty much this in a nutshell. That's what is eventually going to shut down this whole 'cancel culture' issue, when people realise that the vocal minority screaming for someone's head on social media sites is pretty much irrelevant on a business level, and can be safely ignored.

mc32 6y ago
Trader Joe’s reversed their initial reaction to cancel their kitschy labels of trader Giottos and Joe-san, etc.[1] “We do not make decisions based on petitions” [1] https://www.boston.com/news/business/2020/07/31/trader-joes-says-no-to-changing-ethnic-sounding-label-names https://www.boston.com/news/business/2020/07/31/trader-joes-...
- grawprog 6y ago
  >The petition posted on change.org by a high school student claims So that whole thing was over something a high school student originally posted? Not to generalize, but basing business decisions based on something a teenager posted on a website isn't necessarily going to lead to the best decisions.
  - sukilot 6y ago
    At what age does one's opinion matter? How old was the person who wrote in response "The packaging indicates it’s authentic to the country the recipe comes from!" ?
    - avianlyric 6y ago
      From the perspective of a business? Probably the age you start buying their products. Not to be too cynical, but I doubt many companies give a damn what peoples opinions are, if those people aren’t buying their products, or if there isn’t a creditable threat those people will start to influence the opinions of people who do buy their products.
    - grawprog 6y ago
      Old enough to vote, smoke, enlist in the military etc. That age where we consider people adults and capable of thinking and doing things for themselves such as dying for their country or having the opportunity to vote on the way they believe their country should be run.
    - unethical_ban 6y ago
      There is a decent reason we don't allow humans under a certain age to vote. Wisdom, some life experience, and maturity bolster one's credibility, all things being equal. It's also easier to dismiss with how silly and unimportant (and in my opinion, wrong) their position is - and how obnoxious their self-perceived moral authority is. Greta Thunberg was rather annoying from a "trotting out a teenager for political purposes" but at least in that case, the moral argument and the "generational" nature of climate change make more sense to see a minor push the issue.
  - SV_BubbleTime 6y ago
    I agree. But... How many people said that when Greta was making headlines while being sailed around the world? Teenagers are almost exclusively idiots. By design. They have had almost zero life experience so when someone props them up, as experts or authorities or cares who they are offended on behalf of - I recoil pretty hard at that. Anyone that’s talked to a 16yo for more than a couple minutes knows they certainly shouldn’t be taking any advice from them. Yet... get the world stage if the cause is good or “good”. I’m not surprised a teenager’s petition almost effected changed at Trader Joe’s, I’m surprised it didn’t work. Good for them.
- ars 6y ago
  That petition never made any sense anyway. It's basically saying "Make sure no minorities are ever on product labels. Only white males."
  - blahbhthrow3748 6y ago
    "Make sure there's no black people depicted in the media by banning blackface". If only there was a way to buy ethnic food made by people from the culture and not a house brand with a white dude playing dress up.
    - SpicyLemonZest 6y ago
      I worry you haven't thought through the full implications of this stance. You're proposing a rule that some grocery stores are specifically white grocery stores and shouldn't sell my culture's food; I can't think of many things that would make me feel more excluded.
      - sukilot 6y ago
        There's no need to play dress up with a fake name from your culture in order to sell food from your culture. (Also, Trader Joe's "imports" aren't food from your culture, they are cheap knockoffs.)
        seibelj 6y ago
        My wife is Vietnamese, my best friend’s wife is Mexican (from Mexico), and both of them thought the Trader Joe’s decision to remove them was really dumb and have no problem with “Trader Jose”, etc. My friend’s wife and her family were posting memes making fun of it on their socials. I don’t think the American woke left knows what’s in the mind of every minority.
        zaroth 6y ago
        FYI, Trader Joe’s is keeping the packaging as-is. They are not removing Trader Jose’s.
- ApolloFortyNine 6y ago
  That petition made national news at 2000 signatures. 2000 is virtually meaningless, in a country of 300 million people, and yet it was getting significant news coverage.
  - paulgb 6y ago
    > and yet it was getting significant news coverage What's funny to me is, at least in my feed, these stories are shared most by people who use them to decry cancel culture. This in turn drives clicks to these stories and creates the demand for them, amplifying the impact of those 2,000 people in exactly the opposite way they intend to.
    - rbecker 6y ago
      Lest this comment give anyone the impression that petition only received attention because people opposing cancel culture shared it, let me dispel that error - it was covered by the most prominent newspaper in the country: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/19/business/trader-joes-petition.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/19/business/trader-joes-peti...
      - Thorrez 6y ago
        Was that article written after Trader Joe's responded to the petition? Or did Trader Joe's respond to the petition as part of that article being written? Anyway, it's possible NYT wrote that article knowing it would be a hot-button article and would be shared widely by anti cancel culture people.
        blub 6y ago
        NYT doesn't care who shares its articles as long as it gets the eyeballs. This is what got us here in the first place: click-optimized journalism.
    - briandear 6y ago
      And the ridiculous Goya boycott resulted in Goya selling even more.

by CM30 6y ago

mc32 6y ago

Trader Joe’s reversed their initial reaction to cancel their kitschy labels of trader Giottos and Joe-san, etc.[1] “We do not make decisions based on petitions” [1] https://www.boston.com/news/business/2020/07/31/trader-joes-says-no-to-changing-ethnic-sounding-label-names https://www.boston.com/news/business/2020/07/31/trader-joes-...

grawprog 6y ago
>The petition posted on change.org by a high school student claims So that whole thing was over something a high school student originally posted? Not to generalize, but basing business decisions based on something a teenager posted on a website isn't necessarily going to lead to the best decisions.
- sukilot 6y ago
  At what age does one's opinion matter? How old was the person who wrote in response "The packaging indicates it’s authentic to the country the recipe comes from!" ?
  - avianlyric 6y ago
    From the perspective of a business? Probably the age you start buying their products. Not to be too cynical, but I doubt many companies give a damn what peoples opinions are, if those people aren’t buying their products, or if there isn’t a creditable threat those people will start to influence the opinions of people who do buy their products.
  - grawprog 6y ago
    Old enough to vote, smoke, enlist in the military etc. That age where we consider people adults and capable of thinking and doing things for themselves such as dying for their country or having the opportunity to vote on the way they believe their country should be run.
  - unethical_ban 6y ago
    There is a decent reason we don't allow humans under a certain age to vote. Wisdom, some life experience, and maturity bolster one's credibility, all things being equal. It's also easier to dismiss with how silly and unimportant (and in my opinion, wrong) their position is - and how obnoxious their self-perceived moral authority is. Greta Thunberg was rather annoying from a "trotting out a teenager for political purposes" but at least in that case, the moral argument and the "generational" nature of climate change make more sense to see a minor push the issue.
- SV_BubbleTime 6y ago
  I agree. But... How many people said that when Greta was making headlines while being sailed around the world? Teenagers are almost exclusively idiots. By design. They have had almost zero life experience so when someone props them up, as experts or authorities or cares who they are offended on behalf of - I recoil pretty hard at that. Anyone that’s talked to a 16yo for more than a couple minutes knows they certainly shouldn’t be taking any advice from them. Yet... get the world stage if the cause is good or “good”. I’m not surprised a teenager’s petition almost effected changed at Trader Joe’s, I’m surprised it didn’t work. Good for them.
ars 6y ago
That petition never made any sense anyway. It's basically saying "Make sure no minorities are ever on product labels. Only white males."
- blahbhthrow3748 6y ago
  "Make sure there's no black people depicted in the media by banning blackface". If only there was a way to buy ethnic food made by people from the culture and not a house brand with a white dude playing dress up.
  - SpicyLemonZest 6y ago
    I worry you haven't thought through the full implications of this stance. You're proposing a rule that some grocery stores are specifically white grocery stores and shouldn't sell my culture's food; I can't think of many things that would make me feel more excluded.
    - sukilot 6y ago
      There's no need to play dress up with a fake name from your culture in order to sell food from your culture. (Also, Trader Joe's "imports" aren't food from your culture, they are cheap knockoffs.)
      - seibelj 6y ago
        My wife is Vietnamese, my best friend’s wife is Mexican (from Mexico), and both of them thought the Trader Joe’s decision to remove them was really dumb and have no problem with “Trader Jose”, etc. My friend’s wife and her family were posting memes making fun of it on their socials. I don’t think the American woke left knows what’s in the mind of every minority.
        zaroth 6y ago
        FYI, Trader Joe’s is keeping the packaging as-is. They are not removing Trader Jose’s.
ApolloFortyNine 6y ago
That petition made national news at 2000 signatures. 2000 is virtually meaningless, in a country of 300 million people, and yet it was getting significant news coverage.
- paulgb 6y ago
  > and yet it was getting significant news coverage What's funny to me is, at least in my feed, these stories are shared most by people who use them to decry cancel culture. This in turn drives clicks to these stories and creates the demand for them, amplifying the impact of those 2,000 people in exactly the opposite way they intend to.
  - rbecker 6y ago
    Lest this comment give anyone the impression that petition only received attention because people opposing cancel culture shared it, let me dispel that error - it was covered by the most prominent newspaper in the country: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/19/business/trader-joes-petition.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/19/business/trader-joes-peti...
    - Thorrez 6y ago
      Was that article written after Trader Joe's responded to the petition? Or did Trader Joe's respond to the petition as part of that article being written? Anyway, it's possible NYT wrote that article knowing it would be a hot-button article and would be shared widely by anti cancel culture people.
      - blub 6y ago
        NYT doesn't care who shares its articles as long as it gets the eyeballs. This is what got us here in the first place: click-optimized journalism.
  - briandear 6y ago
    And the ridiculous Goya boycott resulted in Goya selling even more.