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Is there an advantage to enable AFP on my NAS? I have a Macbook but smb seems kinda shady there.

by maallooc 6y ago

ianlevesque 6y ago
Newer macOS prefers SMB3 over AFP, even for time machine backups. There’s no reason to use AFP anymore on a modern Mac.
- duskwuff 6y ago
  And you don't even need the AppleTalk module for AFP. (I don't think modern macOS even supports AppleTalk anymore.) AppleTalk only comes into play when you're dealing with really old Mac systems which didn't support AFP-over-TCP yet.
  - joezydeco 6y ago
    What hardware do you use to connect the two?
    - rjsw 6y ago
      All the things described are running over ethernet, there isn't any special hardware. The kernel module implements the stuff described in the sections on EtherTalk and AppleTalk phase II on this [1] wiki page. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AppleTalk https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AppleTalk
      - joezydeco 6y ago
        So just a LocalTalk to Ethernet bridge?
        rjsw 6y ago
        No, the old Macintosh uses its ethernet controller to connect to the Linux server, LocalTalk isn't used.
        joezydeco 6y ago
        I see. When the article mentioned AppleTalk I envisioned a way to get files off of my old SE using something that hooked into the ADB networking ports.
        rjsw 6y ago
        You wouldn't use an ADB port, LocalTalk used the printer port. For your SE you could get an ethernet adapter that plugged into the SCSI port or a PDS card to go inside the case.
        dougg3 6y ago
        That too is possible (serial ports though, not ADB). There are existing LocalTalk-to-Ethernet bridge products from long ago that are getting harder and harder to find. I was actually working on a new one for a while but ran out of the time/motivation to finish it up. https://mac68k.info/forums/thread.jspa?threadID=275&start=0&tstart=0 https://mac68k.info/forums/thread.jspa?threadID=275&start=0&...
        joezydeco 6y ago
        Great info, thanks
- wazoox 6y ago
  Except that AFP is 3 to 5 times faster on 10GigE. SMB implementation on MacOS has always been a joke, and still is. As long as you're only networking with WiFi, it's probably OK. But when you do serious video editing, AFP still reigns supreme (but apparently almost nobody knows it). Case in point : recently, tested using a Hackintosh and a hand-built high performance NAS (100 TB), 10GigE ethernet. Running Windows 10 on the Hackintosh, SMB protocol : ~900 MB/s read/write Running MacOS on the same machine , SMB protocol : ~200 MB/s read/write Running MacOS, AFP protocol : ~1 GB/s read/write.

Is there an advantage to enable AFP on my NAS? I have a Macbook but smb seems kinda shady there.

ianlevesque 6y ago

Newer macOS prefers SMB3 over AFP, even for time machine backups. There’s no reason to use AFP anymore on a modern Mac.

duskwuff 6y ago
And you don't even need the AppleTalk module for AFP. (I don't think modern macOS even supports AppleTalk anymore.) AppleTalk only comes into play when you're dealing with really old Mac systems which didn't support AFP-over-TCP yet.
- joezydeco 6y ago
  What hardware do you use to connect the two?
  - rjsw 6y ago
    All the things described are running over ethernet, there isn't any special hardware. The kernel module implements the stuff described in the sections on EtherTalk and AppleTalk phase II on this [1] wiki page. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AppleTalk https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AppleTalk
    - joezydeco 6y ago
      So just a LocalTalk to Ethernet bridge?
      - rjsw 6y ago
        No, the old Macintosh uses its ethernet controller to connect to the Linux server, LocalTalk isn't used.
        joezydeco 6y ago
        I see. When the article mentioned AppleTalk I envisioned a way to get files off of my old SE using something that hooked into the ADB networking ports.
        rjsw 6y ago
        You wouldn't use an ADB port, LocalTalk used the printer port. For your SE you could get an ethernet adapter that plugged into the SCSI port or a PDS card to go inside the case.
        dougg3 6y ago
        That too is possible (serial ports though, not ADB). There are existing LocalTalk-to-Ethernet bridge products from long ago that are getting harder and harder to find. I was actually working on a new one for a while but ran out of the time/motivation to finish it up. https://mac68k.info/forums/thread.jspa?threadID=275&start=0&tstart=0 https://mac68k.info/forums/thread.jspa?threadID=275&start=0&...
        joezydeco 6y ago
        Great info, thanks
wazoox 6y ago
Except that AFP is 3 to 5 times faster on 10GigE. SMB implementation on MacOS has always been a joke, and still is. As long as you're only networking with WiFi, it's probably OK. But when you do serious video editing, AFP still reigns supreme (but apparently almost nobody knows it). Case in point : recently, tested using a Hackintosh and a hand-built high performance NAS (100 TB), 10GigE ethernet. Running Windows 10 on the Hackintosh, SMB protocol : ~900 MB/s read/write Running MacOS on the same machine , SMB protocol : ~200 MB/s read/write Running MacOS, AFP protocol : ~1 GB/s read/write.