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Your posts defending the CCP are full of false equivalencies and whataboutism. Let's look at the people targeted under the CCP's National Security Law vs. the p

Your posts defending the CCP are full of false equivalencies and whataboutism. Let's look at the people targeted under the CCP's National Security Law vs. the people targeted under the Magnitsky Acts: National Security Law: - Samuel Chu: an American activist and lobbyist working for democracy in HK, and also fighting hunger as the National Organization for MAZON: A Jewish Response to Hunger. - Nathan Law: former LegCo rep and student activist, also working for democracy in HK until he fled to the UK. - Simon Cheng: a former UK consulate staffer and pro-democracy activist, abducted and tortured by the CCP. - Wayne Chan: founder of the Hong Kong Independence Union - Ray Wong: an interior designer and founder of Hong Kong Indigenous - Honcques Laus: a student (like, look at this kid [1]) who founded the Hongkongers Utilitarian Party, a group that works towards HK democracy and independence. Real bad people, yeah /s Magnitsky Acts: These people [2] all of whom were either: - Heavily involved in the murder of Russian tax lawyer Sergei Magnitsky (for whom the acts are named) - Responsible for the murder of Paul Klebnikov - Responsible for the murder of Umar Israilov - Heavily involved in involved with the Assassination of Jamal Khashoggi - Accused by Human Rights Watch of "Crimes against Humanity" Etc. Etc. Etc. There is no comparison. This is a false equivalency. [1]: https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/law-and-crime/article/3024883/hong-kong-judge-rejects-retrial-teenage-independence https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/law-and-crime/article/30... [2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnitsky_Act#Individuals_affected https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnitsky_Act#Individuals_affe...

dirtyid 6y ago
They're both tools for large power with supranational privileges for geopolitical interests. Which makes them directly comparable and functionally equivalent. Drawing up a list trying to label one group good and other group bad misses the point. Each group is bad for interest for the respective countries, that's all that matters. Also, follow the news, Magnitsky was just applied to XinJiang paramilitary organization XPCC/Bingtuan. They had key XJ leadership on the list already like ChenQuanguo, but just slapped the act 24 hours ago on an organization with 2.4 million people. Prior to this they were threatening to ban all of CCP members and associates - 1/6 of the country. Before they labelled IRGC an terrist organization. US supranational instruments are being interpreted beyond their limits under this admin, especially Pompeo and his Chinahawk clique. China announcing their own supranational instruments is overdue, and all it does is target obviously anti-state actors, instead of something like the entire republican party, or entire US special operations command, which is downright restraint and responsible in comparison.
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- camgunz 6y ago
  > They're both tools for large power with supranational privileges for geopolitical interests. Which makes them directly comparable and functionally equivalent. The Magnitsky acts are the US flexing its power in pursuit of human rights. The NSL is the CCP flexing its power to entrench its authoritarian hold over the Chinese diaspora and international business. That's a fundamental, moral difference. > Drawing up a list trying to label one group good and other group bad misses the point. No it perfectly illustrates my point. The targets of the Magnitsky acts are corrupt murderers. The targets of the NSL are democratic activists. > Each group is bad for interest for the respective countries, that's all that matters. Yeah but the CCP is evil, so groups that are bad for them (like democratic activists) are good. > Also, follow the news, Magnitsky was just applied to XinJiang paramilitary organization XPCC/Bingtuan. The CCP is committing an atrocity in Xinjiang, and the XPCC is the CCP government organization that's largely responsible. This is exactly what the Magnitsky acts are for. > ...just slapped the act 24 hours ago on an organization with 2.4 million people Let's have a look at what the order says: > As a result of today’s action, all property and interests in property of the [XPCC] and individuals named above, and of any entities that are owned, directly or indirectly, 50 percent or more by them, individually, or with other blocked persons, that are in the United States or in the possession or control of U.S. persons, are blocked.... So it's not all 2.4 million XPCC members. > US supranational instruments are being interpreted beyond their limits under this admin, especially Pompeo and his Chinahawk clique. Pompeo is, like the rest of the free world, critical of the CCP. That's different than being a "Chinahawk". > China announcing their own supranational instruments is overdue... The CCP has no moral authority to do so, therefore these "instruments" are hegemonic at best. > ...and all it does is target obviously anti-state actors... If your idea of an anti-state actor is this kid [1], I can't take you seriously. And you should say the whole thing: "anti-authoritarian-state actors". Or, "democracy activists" is shorter. > instead of something like the entire republican party, or entire US special operations command, which is downright restraint and responsible in comparison. Look I'm no fan of the GOP, but if they build an insane surveillance state in order to put 1-3 million ethnic/religious minorities in concentration camps indefinitely with no charges or trials where they experience "torture, rape, sterilization, and other abuses" [2], sure, freeze their accounts. [1]: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EeJ-eZKUEAAZ3I2.jpg https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EeJ-eZKUEAAZ3I2.jpg [2]: https://www.uscirf.gov/sites/default/files/China_0.pdf https://www.uscirf.gov/sites/default/files/China_0.pdf

dirtyid 6y ago

They're both tools for large power with supranational privileges for geopolitical interests. Which makes them directly comparable and functionally equivalent. Drawing up a list trying to label one group good and other group bad misses the point. Each group is bad for interest for the respective countries, that's all that matters. Also, follow the news, Magnitsky was just applied to XinJiang paramilitary organization XPCC/Bingtuan. They had key XJ leadership on the list already like ChenQuanguo, but just slapped the act 24 hours ago on an organization with 2.4 million people. Prior to this they were threatening to ban all of CCP members and associates - 1/6 of the country. Before they labelled IRGC an terrist organization. US supranational instruments are being interpreted beyond their limits under this admin, especially Pompeo and his Chinahawk clique. China announcing their own supranational instruments is overdue, and all it does is target obviously anti-state actors, instead of something like the entire republican party, or entire US special operations command, which is downright restraint and responsible in comparison.

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camgunz 6y ago
> They're both tools for large power with supranational privileges for geopolitical interests. Which makes them directly comparable and functionally equivalent. The Magnitsky acts are the US flexing its power in pursuit of human rights. The NSL is the CCP flexing its power to entrench its authoritarian hold over the Chinese diaspora and international business. That's a fundamental, moral difference. > Drawing up a list trying to label one group good and other group bad misses the point. No it perfectly illustrates my point. The targets of the Magnitsky acts are corrupt murderers. The targets of the NSL are democratic activists. > Each group is bad for interest for the respective countries, that's all that matters. Yeah but the CCP is evil, so groups that are bad for them (like democratic activists) are good. > Also, follow the news, Magnitsky was just applied to XinJiang paramilitary organization XPCC/Bingtuan. The CCP is committing an atrocity in Xinjiang, and the XPCC is the CCP government organization that's largely responsible. This is exactly what the Magnitsky acts are for. > ...just slapped the act 24 hours ago on an organization with 2.4 million people Let's have a look at what the order says: > As a result of today’s action, all property and interests in property of the [XPCC] and individuals named above, and of any entities that are owned, directly or indirectly, 50 percent or more by them, individually, or with other blocked persons, that are in the United States or in the possession or control of U.S. persons, are blocked.... So it's not all 2.4 million XPCC members. > US supranational instruments are being interpreted beyond their limits under this admin, especially Pompeo and his Chinahawk clique. Pompeo is, like the rest of the free world, critical of the CCP. That's different than being a "Chinahawk". > China announcing their own supranational instruments is overdue... The CCP has no moral authority to do so, therefore these "instruments" are hegemonic at best. > ...and all it does is target obviously anti-state actors... If your idea of an anti-state actor is this kid [1], I can't take you seriously. And you should say the whole thing: "anti-authoritarian-state actors". Or, "democracy activists" is shorter. > instead of something like the entire republican party, or entire US special operations command, which is downright restraint and responsible in comparison. Look I'm no fan of the GOP, but if they build an insane surveillance state in order to put 1-3 million ethnic/religious minorities in concentration camps indefinitely with no charges or trials where they experience "torture, rape, sterilization, and other abuses" [2], sure, freeze their accounts. [1]: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EeJ-eZKUEAAZ3I2.jpg https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EeJ-eZKUEAAZ3I2.jpg [2]: https://www.uscirf.gov/sites/default/files/China_0.pdf https://www.uscirf.gov/sites/default/files/China_0.pdf