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My Custom Payment Implant
- kanobo 6y agoIf you didn't make it to the very end, he finds out from his bank right after the implant that the PayTag will no longer be supported in 3 years! What an unfortunate turn of events!
- nine_k 6y agoThis is quite expected. If the subdermal installation was so quick, so should be the removal, too. What is really sad that the card (and so the implant) can be compromised any moment because CC data sometimes get stolen, and banks cancel and replace a card even on mere suspicion that it could have happened. So it could as well be arbitrarily shorter than 3 years. I understand the cool factor, but, to my mind, it's not not great from the systems-building angle. Usually you want more modularity and easier modification or replacement of any part, not more of a monolith.
- seanwilson 6y agoCool! How do you confirm the chip isn't going to have any weird reaction under the skin later? And there's minimal risk implanting it in the first place will cause damage?
- fuzxi 6y agoFrom what I remember, this is handled in the "conversion" process mentioned. Part of that is coating the entire implant in medical grade silicone.
- kiddico 6y agoOh man, I was not able to make it through that needle video... I love the body-mod community, but I don't think I'm fit to serve in their ranks.
- rkagerer 6y agoI kept thinking no, no, No NO NO Make It Stop!
- ed25519FUUU 6y ago> My bank contacted me to tell me that the PayTag will no longer be supported in 3 years time, So this is obviously disappointing I definitely think this is a cool concept, but how do you get passed the planned obsolescence of these implants?
- wfriesen 6y agoThis custom job is for the true early adopters, who accept that eventuality. There are implants that already have the capability to be updated with new payment details, but it requires the cooperation of the payment card industry to initially provision them under their supervision.
- XorNot 6y agoTo be fair in terms of the cyberpunk future this is one of the problems built into the setting in fiction. Upgrades, firmware versions and planned obsolescence.
- aminozuur 6y agoThat looks fun. But in practice, from your video it seems you need to keep the implant extremely close, and hold it near the chip reader for a few secs before it’s recognized and accepted. That’s a major downside. I use Apple Pay and swing my phone somewhere close near it and it’s done within a second.
- ulrikrasmussen 6y agoI appreciate the coolness factor, but from a practical perspective I think it would make more sense to go with something that's wearable but more easy to replace, such as a ring or even a piercing.
- boring_twenties 6y agoPiercing seems like a really bad idea unless you can guarantee that no malicious actor will find out about it. Those things hurt when they're ripped out.
- jan6 6y agoI think it wouldn't be that hard to cut open a hand either...
- ladberg 6y agoWait until you hear about diamond piercings!
- boring_twenties 6y agoWell, now that I've heard about them, I can't say I'm interested, lol.
- ulrikrasmussen 6y agoThe risk of that happening would seem to be equal to or less than the risk of you getting robbed of your credit card, which also carries a risk of physical damage. Normal high-value piercings such as expensive earrings carry a greater risk of theft as they are much easier to covert to money. A wireless payment device requires a second factor for large withdrawals and can easily be blocked.
- boring_twenties 6y agoYeah, I think you're right.
- unixhero 6y agoAh the old mark of the beast. No just no, this is a future I don't want to become part of.
- surajs 6y agoyou don't have to, there are better alternatives ;)
- ciconia 6y ago"I buy, therefore I am"
- odomojuli 6y agoPuts a whole new emphasis on the sum part of cogito ergo sum
- dtx1 6y agoThis is such a bad idea it's beyond words. Why would you implant something that will 100% be outdated within the span of a few years and and can be done just as easily with a watch, a phone or a plastic card, things you very, very likely carry on you anyway. Even if you don't have a wallet because your minimalistic or whatever and you don't have a watch because you have a phone that shows the time YOU STILL HAVE A FREAKING PHONE FOR THAT. Don't take this the wrong way i had a magnet implanted in my finger for a while so i am not against body mods but this is just plain stupid.
- m463 6y agoIt's "dangerous things" I think it pays (money) to post about doing stuff that would make people like it and cringe at the same time. (I wonder how much simone gertz made from her Truckla videos, which included sawzalling into a brand new model 3?)
- blahbhthrow3748 6y agoThere's a real difference between chopping a car in half and injecting stuff into your body.
- whatshisface 6y agoThere's also a similarity, which is that they are both publicity stunts that draw their attention-getting power from "cringe" reactions in people who hear of them.
- vasco 6y agoYou can use the exact same argument for carrying a small magnet in your pocket. The satire might be going over my head though.
- pessimizer 6y agoThe argument that magnetism will inevitably shut down its attraction and repulsion services within a few years, rendering your implant useless?
- wfriesen 6y agoA company run by the same guy as Dangerous Things is Vivokey, who are hoping to have (among other things) payment capabilities supported by Visa/Mastercard on on upcoming implant, the Apex. That should allow them to be updated with new details so they won't expire permanently: https://www.vivokey.com/apex https://www.vivokey.com/apex I have a beta version that can do crypto operations such as PGP decrypting/signing and generating OTP entirely on the implant.
- bntyhntr 6y agoTaking a look, it looks like they want to be an identity provider as well as hocking implants. tbh it's kinda weirding me out. Does the more complicated stuff like bank payment require a vivokey identity?
- bserge 6y agoI'm sometimes thinking about an implant, but then I realize a ring or bracelet would work better. A current concept I've been fiddling with is a personal assistant that's always on me. Yes, a phone, but strapped to my back. Why? Because I can't leave it somewhere or change the volume or ignore it. It's meant to nag me until I finish the task (verification/confirmation is difficult though).
- scatters 6y agoThat's a smartwatch. Obviously you need an incentive to wear it continually; that could be exercise (step counting), health tracking (heart rate plus (as of a few months ago) pulse oximetry), etc. Also you can get contactless payment, and it can even tell the time. After a few months you get used to wearing a watch continually again.
- bserge 6y agoThat's an option, but I hate watches. Always have for some reason, even when it was the only portable accessory I had it in my pocket.
- aralroca 6y agoI think it's a little crazy. The implanted material over several months your body may not accept it. This should be tested very well. And I don't see a big benefit, since you can pay with your cell phone.
- rozab 6y agoWe've been implanting electronics in people for a very long time, we have a good understanding of the process now.
- aflag 6y agoHow permanent is this implant? Can it be easily removed?
- divan 6y agoYes, they come in bio glass capsule and do not get attached to the soft tissues (unlike chips used in animals, as I’ve heard), so can be easily removed.
- elliekelly 6y agoI’m not sure about removing an implant from the hand like in the article but I’ve had the similarly sized/shaped Implanon removed and replaced from my arm several times. It’s just a small incision, a pair of tweezers to pull it out, and a stitch or two to close it back up. The whole procedure takes less than 15 minutes. They could probably do it in five but I’m kind of squeamish so they go slow. They use local anesthetic so you can’t feel the incision but you can still feel the implant coming out and your skin being pulled which grosses me out big time.
- neurostimulant 6y agoAn implanted payment chip seem to be an interesting idea. You could be stranded anywhere in the world with nothing but an underwear and still carrying enough money to get by (assuming the contactless payment protocol used by the implant is accepted everywhere). A wildly unlikely scenario for most people. A more likely scenario is it allows you to pay something when you forgot to bring your wallet and your phone and you have to make the payment now or never. Or maybe you could be in a beach with nothing but a swimsuit and want to buy an ice cream without grabbing your wallet in the locker. Realistically, I will never do a minor surgical operation just for having an ability to pay without my phone or wallet. My intolerance of needle and pain far outweigh the benefits of having this implant :)
- troupe 6y ago> You could be stranded anywhere in the world with nothing but an underwear I am curious about the life choices of people who see planning for this type of situation a worthwhile investment of their time. :)
- ValentineC 6y ago> A more likely scenario is it allows you to pay something when you forgot to bring your wallet and your phone and you have to make the payment now or never. Or maybe you could be in a beach with nothing but a swimsuit and want to buy an ice cream without grabbing your wallet in the locker. My Apple Watch is an acceptable compromise when I go out on runs without my phone and wallet. I can pay at most convenience stores, and even withdraw cash at a bank that has a contactless-supporting ATM.
- muzika 6y agoSome day, this may be the ONLY accepted payment method in a future society.
- numbers 6y agoRead through most of this and I was thinking this is a pretty weird thing to get implanted. In which world would it be necessary to have a payment implant? With Coronavirus, it’s clear contactless payments are becoming common place. But I’d venture to say we’re going to continue moving towards things like online ordering for almost everything imaginable and then picking it up which means rarely would I need to show/use my credit cards.