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Palestinians got screwed over by something geopolitical. Again and again they were egged on by their Arab neighbors to walk away from more equitable treaties. A

Palestinians got screwed over by something geopolitical. Again and again they were egged on by their Arab neighbors to walk away from more equitable treaties. All in the name of geopolitical Arab nationalism. Today their Arab neighbors are building cutting edge cities, while Palestinians are asking for a fraction of what they were offered in the 1920s/30s.

smitty1e 6y ago
Or: would they go back to Oslo and tell Arafat not to be a putz, if they could? I typically hate counterfactuals with a passion, but at some point pragmatism becomes worth considering. Not that I'm in their context and capable of making that call, mind you.
- Solstinox 6y ago
  Oh it's absolutely possible that if they had settled in the 1920s they'd eventually get screwed anyway.
onyva 6y ago
To be clear, not a single Arab country wants to see an independent Palestinian state. Not a single one. The Palestinians were not even included originally in the Arab League that was supposed to represent their cause. Palestinians were considered a threat to the stability of the post colonial “middle east” (a fabrication created by the west) and they are still treated as such. The crimes committed by Israel not withstanding.
- apta 6y ago
  > To be clear, not a single Arab country wants to see an independent Palestinian state. Not a single one Where are you getting your information from if I may ask? There are literally millions of anecdata for the contrary.
  - onyva 6y ago
    Wow. 1M. That's so many. Why not start with one. Go check who represented the Palestinians in the 1st summit. I'm waiting...
    - apta 6y ago
      Have you spoken to practically any normal (i.e. not speaking on behalf of a government) citizen of almost any Arab or Muslim country today? Palestine is always on their mind.
      - onyva 6y ago
        Did you find out who the Arab countries participating in the Arab league chose to represent Palestinians in the 1st summit? If you want to have a meaningful dialogue you have to stick to the facts. Calling people murderers while not knowing anything much about your own, is not going to be very productive.
        apta 6y ago
        > Did you find out who the Arab countries participating in the Arab league chose to represent Palestinians in the 1st summit? You're proving my point that some rulers are disconnected from the population when it comes to this issue. There is a strong unity among the Arab and Muslim populations for this issue.
- orwin 6y ago
  > To be clear, not a single Arab country wants to see an independent Palestinian state. Not a single one. Is Liban an arab country?

smitty1e 6y ago

Or: would they go back to Oslo and tell Arafat not to be a putz, if they could? I typically hate counterfactuals with a passion, but at some point pragmatism becomes worth considering. Not that I'm in their context and capable of making that call, mind you.

Solstinox 6y ago
Oh it's absolutely possible that if they had settled in the 1920s they'd eventually get screwed anyway.

onyva 6y ago

To be clear, not a single Arab country wants to see an independent Palestinian state. Not a single one. The Palestinians were not even included originally in the Arab League that was supposed to represent their cause. Palestinians were considered a threat to the stability of the post colonial “middle east” (a fabrication created by the west) and they are still treated as such. The crimes committed by Israel not withstanding.

apta 6y ago
> To be clear, not a single Arab country wants to see an independent Palestinian state. Not a single one Where are you getting your information from if I may ask? There are literally millions of anecdata for the contrary.
- onyva 6y ago
  Wow. 1M. That's so many. Why not start with one. Go check who represented the Palestinians in the 1st summit. I'm waiting...
  - apta 6y ago
    Have you spoken to practically any normal (i.e. not speaking on behalf of a government) citizen of almost any Arab or Muslim country today? Palestine is always on their mind.
    - onyva 6y ago
      Did you find out who the Arab countries participating in the Arab league chose to represent Palestinians in the 1st summit? If you want to have a meaningful dialogue you have to stick to the facts. Calling people murderers while not knowing anything much about your own, is not going to be very productive.
      - apta 6y ago
        > Did you find out who the Arab countries participating in the Arab league chose to represent Palestinians in the 1st summit? You're proving my point that some rulers are disconnected from the population when it comes to this issue. There is a strong unity among the Arab and Muslim populations for this issue.
orwin 6y ago
> To be clear, not a single Arab country wants to see an independent Palestinian state. Not a single one. Is Liban an arab country?