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The problem isn't how they run their store -- the problem is that they are the only store.
by wvenable 6y ago
The problem isn't how they run their store -- the problem is that they are the only store.
- coldtea 6y agoThe only store on their product. Not the only store, period. There is Android store which has 4 times as many users, and at some point Microsoft had a store but people didn't like it either...
- skuthus 6y agoHe means the only store on the iOS platform, not the only app store between all platforms
- coldtea 6y agoiOS is an option among several, not the only game in town. Nobody forces anybody to buy iOS, and if they don't they don't need to use the iOS App Store either, problem solved...
- wayneftw 6y agoNobody forces you to buy a Ford or a Chevy either but both of those manufacturers have to follow very strict rules about how they make and sell cars. If our country decides to make a rule about how smart phones should be created, sold or operated and Apple doesn’t like it, they can go and do business somewhere else.
- scarface74 6y agoDo console makers have to follow “very strict rules”.
- wayneftw 6y agoIf we make some laws that say they do then yeah they will have to.
- scarface74 6y agoAnd Tesla? Will they also have to allow third parties to “upgrade” their cars since many of the additional features are software controlled? Why stop there? Kindles? Roku sticks? WebOS TVs? TiVo’s? Cable boxes?
- wvenable 6y agoYou make that sound bad? People have historically upgraded and modified their cars, their computers, their electronics, and their homes.
- wayneftw 6y agoWe already have such laws for automobiles - https://apb-law.com/understanding-magnuson-moss-act-relates-aftermarket-car-parts/ https://apb-law.com/understanding-magnuson-moss-act-relates-...
- ac29 6y agoI think if any of those had paid app stores with extortionate rates charged to developers, then yes - there is a pro-consumer argument to be made in favor of allowing third party applications from other sources.
- scarface74 6y agoRoku in fact does extort streaming services providers and they have to make rev share deals just to be on their platform - except for Netflix. Streaming services can be on iOS platforms without giving Apple a dime.
- skuthus 6y agothis sounds amazing - I want that
- behnamoh 6y agoIt's their product and they can do whatever they want with it. If anyone doesn't like that, they can easily not purchase iDevices. Apple doesn't force people to buy their products.
- bsaul 6y agoi purchased one of their product ( an iphone), which now belongs to me. That doesn't mean i should be compelled to use all of their product. What if tomorrow they decide bing is the only search engine available on iOS, or iCloud the only storage solution. Would you still be holding the same argument ?
- scarface74 6y agoiCloud is the only storage solution when it comes to device backups.
- sukilot 6y agoI think you mistook your nation for a libertarian utopiam
- mathieuh 6y agoMicrosoft didn't force people to buy Windows, "all" they did was install IE by default and they got done for that. Precedent disagrees with you.
- scarface74 6y agoMicrosoft had 90%+ marketshare in PCs. Apple has less than 15%. How did that whole government intervention thing work out with respect to Microsoft? 20 years later they still have the same dominance in operating systems and productivity apps. No one cares about browser dominance except for Google.
- spullara 6y agoThat actually had a dominant market position on desktop/laptops and still do. Apple does not have a dominant market position in laptops, desktops or mobile phones.
- bradly 6y agoFor many of us that is a feature, not a problem.
- sukilot 6y agoYou're no entitled to a "feature" of my phone blocking functionality that doesn't affect you.
- thrwn_frthr_awy 6y ago> You're no entitled to a "feature" of my phone blocking functionality that doesn't affect you. I respect that you would prefer other stores, but I would prefer a single store, that's all. I don't think I'm entitled to anything. I bought an iPhone with the expectation of a walled garden, but if that changes then I can re-evaluate my phone choice. BigCorp doesn't own me anything. Also, a second store would affect me. I will have to make a decision on whether to trust a separate store or not use those apps. I'd prefer not to have to make that choice.
- skellington 6y agoThat's just dumb. You knew going into what Apple was like. Most of the phones on the earth are Android. How is Apple a monopoly?
- supermatt 6y agoAnd the "feature" is what, exactly?
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- Barrin92 6y agoI've seen many things described as a feature but platform monopoly is a new one, unless 'many of us' in this case means 'Apple shareholder'
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- chrisseaton 6y agoThis is like complaining that it's unfair that only McDonald's are allowed to sell inside a McDonald's.
- mathnovice 6y agoHow is a Mcdonalds restaurant (which McDonalds owns) in any way equivalent to my iPhone (which I supposedly own).
- albertop 6y agoNothing prevents you buying Android phone if you do not like Apple policies. The policies were in effect when you bought your iPhone.
- scarface74 6y agoWell, you chose to own an iPhone knowing it didn’t meet your requirements. Do you need the government to protect you from your own decisions?
- Silhouette 6y agoGiven that (a) no smartphone exists that is a perfect fit for my ideal requirements and (b) having some smartphone is now almost essential to function normally within society I would say yes, I absolutely do want the government to intervene. Market competition is obviously not doing the job, and none of us individually is strong enough to force the issue with the suppliers. That is exactly the situation where regulatory intervention is appropriate to protect the little guy from the power of the big guy.
- chrisseaton 6y ago> I absolutely do want the government to intervene Well I don't know what to say apart from this is incredibly selfish. You can't find a product suited to your particular esoteric requirements so you want the government to force someone else to perform labour to build the product you want. Can you see how wacky that sounds when you write it out like that?
- 2OEH8eoCRo0 6y agoThey also favor their own apps or downright remove the competition.
- scarface74 6y agoCan you name one category of app that Apple sells where there aren’t competitors on the App Store?
- Apocryphon 6y agoLiterally being debated right now. https://techcrunch.com/2020/07/29/apple-ceo-tim-cook-questioned-over-app-stores-removal-of-rival-screen-time-apps-in-antitrust-hearing/ https://techcrunch.com/2020/07/29/apple-ceo-tim-cook-questio...
- scarface74 6y agoYou mean Apple removing apps that literally let a third party control your phone and spy on everything you do? Were you also against Apple disabling enterprise certificates when Google and Facebook were using it to spy on users - not just their own employees?
- Apocryphon 6y agoYou mean the apps that Apple was fine hosting on their platform and taking their 30% cut from up until Apple decided to create a first party app that can control your phone and spy on everything you do?
- scarface74 6y agoActually screen time limits are all done locally and sync between your devices. It in no way allows Apple to record what you are doing.
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- fjdjsmsm 6y agoDoes Walmart have a monopoly on cash registers inside a Walmart?
- reactorofr 6y agoDo you live inside a walmart? Are you locked into walmart for 2-3 years after going there once?
- fjdjsmsm 6y agoIn many small towns Walmart is the only, or nearly the only store.
- tlow 6y agoWould you agree that to be a monopoly means to have exclusive control of App distribution? Looking across the market Apple has exclusive control of only a small minority percentage of all App distribution.
- throwaway851 6y agoIf there were multiple stores, chances are that the app developer would choose the least restrictive App Store. So maybe Apple’s App Store rejects an app because it’s doing something sneaky, but some other App Store isn’t as rigorous and publishes the app. If you’ve ever been in the situation where you’re the IT person for your extended family, don’t be surprised when your grandmother tells you that she needs help with some weird problem with her phone and you track down that it’s some app that she got from an alternate App Store. That sort of situation is not a good user experience and isn’t good for the Apple ecosystem. The walled garden is a feature, not a bug. If you want a different experience with more choices, there’s Android - seriously. Neil Cybart wrote this in a July 6th newsletter: “Billions of people use Android smartphones. However, the press views Android as so inferior to iOS that it’s not a viable alternative for Apple users. That ends up saying more about the competition failing than Apple users suffering from Apple possessing too much power and success.” I had a hard time believing that when I read it, but maybe it’s true.
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- saagarjha 6y ago> the press views Android as so inferior to iOS that it’s not a viable alternative for Apple users It's not just the press: switching to Android would have very negative drawbacks to many Apple users, even if you don't consider it to be strictly inferior. It would be like pointing a sports car owner to a minivan and saying that they should buy that when they complain about their manufacturer removing buttons from the dashboard. (More accurately, assume that the only sports car available was from one manufacturer and you had to move over to the minivan or you have to ride a bike everywhere.)
- throwaway6000 6y agothey're not the only store. and nobody's forcing you to use their store. go get an Android phone.
- hamstergene 6y agoIf anyone could create their own store, someone would create a store that accepts anything with no review, no privacy and no security enforcements, making the whole idea of greenwalled platform pointless.