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"Our European visitors are important to us. This site is currently unavailable to visitors from the European Economic Area while we work to ensure your data is

"Our European visitors are important to us. This site is currently unavailable to visitors from the European Economic Area while we work to ensure your data is protected in accordance with applicable EU laws." nice

kube-system 6y ago
[cost of compliance] > [revenue from EU visitors]
- georgiecasey 6y ago
  And I don't blame the site at all. Another stupid rule from the EU preventing me from reading articles.
  - giomasce 6y ago
    The rule is not preventing anything. The website is redirecting your requests on a static page.
  - Akronymus 6y ago
    https://outline.com/ https://outline.com/ You may find this site helpful
    - incomplete 6y ago
      https://archive.is https://archive.is another option
  - segfaultbuserr 6y ago
    https://web.archive.org https://web.archive.org
  - twhb 6y ago
    A man has a hotdog stand that he never cleans. One day, a health inspector comes by and tells him that unless he cleans his grill every day, he can’t keep selling hotdogs. The man shouts “I’ve never cleaned the grill in my life! It’s impossible, nobody does it! And who’s going to pay for the cleaner and the five minutes every day, me? No, I’ll just go sell my hotdogs somewhere else.” And he leaves. Later a regular comes by, sees the missing hotdog stand, hears it happened as a result of the health inspector’s visit, sees that other people are now eating the man’s hotdogs while he can’t, and thinks “Man I’m hungry. Screw health inspectors.” Taking care of people can be a thankless job. Here are a dozen healthier options: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=graham+clark&t=osx&iar=news&ia=news https://duckduckgo.com/?q=graham+clark&t=osx&iar=news&ia=new...
    - georgiecasey 6y ago
      See it's all a matter of opinion. I personally don't really care about online privacy and GDPR just gets in my way. I know that's not a very popular opinion on this site but it's the way I feel.
      - dane-pgp 6y ago
        "Those who don’t care much about privacy might say that they have nothing to hide. Those who do worry about it might say that keeping their personal data safe protects them from being harmed by hackers or unscrupulous companies. Both positions assume that caring about and protecting one’s privacy is a personal matter. This is a common misunderstanding." https://www.newstatesman.com/science-tech/privacy/2019/10/privacy-collective-concern https://www.newstatesman.com/science-tech/privacy/2019/10/pr...
        Camas 6y ago
        "We have to put an accept button on every new website you visit or democracy will end"
        dane-pgp 6y ago
        "Any government regulation is literally fascism/communism and will inevitably lead to the deaths of millions of people." Do you see why straw man arguments aren't helpful?
        deleted 6y ago
        [deleted]
biermic 6y ago
Does this mean the US visitors data is not protected? Or no resources to add a cookie banner?
- ceejayoz 6y ago
  It means they're tracking US visitors in ways intrusive enough to be illegal in Europe, yes.
  - superkuh 6y ago
    Only if you enable javascript. This is exactly equivalent to opening every email attachment you receive. It's absurd this is considered the norm. You can take individual responsibility and disable JS by default. Also, don't visit sites that you disagree with. This is much more ethical than the European choice to bring in people with guns to coerce sites into behaving how they want. It's easy to understand why international sites block European visitors to avoid that violence-backed coercion.
    - anoa_ 6y ago
      I would say it's equivalent to opening all email attachments in a VM, as there is a sandbox these things run in. That's security-wise though. Privacy-wise there's certainly more fingerprintable data available to the program than what you would get in a typical VM.
    - ceejayoz 6y ago
      > You can take individual responsibility and disable JS by default. Sure, you try explaining that to the general public, and why most of the sites they visit don't work anymore. It's hard enough to manage as a techie. This is the same argument snake oil purveyors use to complain about health and safety regulations, and it's silly for the same reasons. > This is much more ethical than the European choice to bring in people with guns to coerce sites into behaving how they want. Which GDPR violations have been met with armed agents?
      - 6y ago
nightcracker 6y ago
Why do all these prompts use doublespeak so blatantly? It's actually insane. "Your privacy matters to us." -> Then why are you asking me to give it up? If my privacy mattered to you you wouldn't even ask to install tracking cookies and gather my data.
- _jjkk 6y ago
  It's not doublespeak. What would you have the message say? It's a legacy site and they haven't finished implementing out-out-only / data-deletion / etc... I wouldn't assume malicious intent.
  - function_seven 6y ago
    It's been quite awhile now since the GDRP protections have been around. If they haven't finished removing tracking by now, then they're lying when they say "your privacy matters to us". No, it doesn't. If it mattered, then you would act like it.
    - SpicyLemonZest 6y ago
      This isn't the New York Times. I don't think it's reasonable to expect the local news for a mid-sized American city to prioritize implementation of the EU's data rules.
      - function_seven 6y ago
        Sure, but it's plenty of time to just remove tracking cookies altogether. Which would have been easier to implement than what they're doing now (geolocating visitors, serving custom messages depending on jurisdiction, etc.) I mean, if my privacy matters to them. I know the online news business is difficult to monetize. Only a handful of major news orgs can put paywalls up and charge subscribers directly. I get that. So, what they do instead is use 3rd party ad networks and analytics, and traffic in my personal data, while telling me that my privacy matters. That's why this is doublespeak. They're saying one thing (my privacy matters) while doing another (funding their operations in part on my personal data). Is it the only viable model for them? Maybe. That's not really relevant, though.
paulcole 6y ago
It's a GDPR compliant site. Europeans should be impressed that American sites were so quick to comply with their well thought out and reasonable regulations.
searchableguy 6y ago
Alternative: https://www.theverge.com/2020/7/31/21349920/twitter-hack-arrest-florida-teen-fbi-irs-secret-service https://www.theverge.com/2020/7/31/21349920/twitter-hack-arr...
bartread 6y ago
"Our European visitors are important to us." Yes, quite. I won't repeat the phrase that immediately came to mind when I read that, but I will say it ended with, "you News Channel 8!"

kube-system 6y ago

[cost of compliance] > [revenue from EU visitors]

georgiecasey 6y ago
And I don't blame the site at all. Another stupid rule from the EU preventing me from reading articles.
- giomasce 6y ago
  The rule is not preventing anything. The website is redirecting your requests on a static page.
- Akronymus 6y ago
  https://outline.com/ https://outline.com/ You may find this site helpful
  - incomplete 6y ago
    https://archive.is https://archive.is another option
- segfaultbuserr 6y ago
  https://web.archive.org https://web.archive.org
- twhb 6y ago
  A man has a hotdog stand that he never cleans. One day, a health inspector comes by and tells him that unless he cleans his grill every day, he can’t keep selling hotdogs. The man shouts “I’ve never cleaned the grill in my life! It’s impossible, nobody does it! And who’s going to pay for the cleaner and the five minutes every day, me? No, I’ll just go sell my hotdogs somewhere else.” And he leaves. Later a regular comes by, sees the missing hotdog stand, hears it happened as a result of the health inspector’s visit, sees that other people are now eating the man’s hotdogs while he can’t, and thinks “Man I’m hungry. Screw health inspectors.” Taking care of people can be a thankless job. Here are a dozen healthier options: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=graham+clark&t=osx&iar=news&ia=news https://duckduckgo.com/?q=graham+clark&t=osx&iar=news&ia=new...
  - georgiecasey 6y ago
    See it's all a matter of opinion. I personally don't really care about online privacy and GDPR just gets in my way. I know that's not a very popular opinion on this site but it's the way I feel.
    - dane-pgp 6y ago
      "Those who don’t care much about privacy might say that they have nothing to hide. Those who do worry about it might say that keeping their personal data safe protects them from being harmed by hackers or unscrupulous companies. Both positions assume that caring about and protecting one’s privacy is a personal matter. This is a common misunderstanding." https://www.newstatesman.com/science-tech/privacy/2019/10/privacy-collective-concern https://www.newstatesman.com/science-tech/privacy/2019/10/pr...
      - Camas 6y ago
        "We have to put an accept button on every new website you visit or democracy will end"
        dane-pgp 6y ago
        "Any government regulation is literally fascism/communism and will inevitably lead to the deaths of millions of people." Do you see why straw man arguments aren't helpful?
        deleted 6y ago
        [deleted]

biermic 6y ago

Does this mean the US visitors data is not protected? Or no resources to add a cookie banner?

ceejayoz 6y ago
It means they're tracking US visitors in ways intrusive enough to be illegal in Europe, yes.
- superkuh 6y ago
  Only if you enable javascript. This is exactly equivalent to opening every email attachment you receive. It's absurd this is considered the norm. You can take individual responsibility and disable JS by default. Also, don't visit sites that you disagree with. This is much more ethical than the European choice to bring in people with guns to coerce sites into behaving how they want. It's easy to understand why international sites block European visitors to avoid that violence-backed coercion.
  - anoa_ 6y ago
    I would say it's equivalent to opening all email attachments in a VM, as there is a sandbox these things run in. That's security-wise though. Privacy-wise there's certainly more fingerprintable data available to the program than what you would get in a typical VM.
  - ceejayoz 6y ago
    > You can take individual responsibility and disable JS by default. Sure, you try explaining that to the general public, and why most of the sites they visit don't work anymore. It's hard enough to manage as a techie. This is the same argument snake oil purveyors use to complain about health and safety regulations, and it's silly for the same reasons. > This is much more ethical than the European choice to bring in people with guns to coerce sites into behaving how they want. Which GDPR violations have been met with armed agents?
    - 6y ago

nightcracker 6y ago

Why do all these prompts use doublespeak so blatantly? It's actually insane. "Your privacy matters to us." -> Then why are you asking me to give it up? If my privacy mattered to you you wouldn't even ask to install tracking cookies and gather my data.

_jjkk 6y ago
It's not doublespeak. What would you have the message say? It's a legacy site and they haven't finished implementing out-out-only / data-deletion / etc... I wouldn't assume malicious intent.
- function_seven 6y ago
  It's been quite awhile now since the GDRP protections have been around. If they haven't finished removing tracking by now, then they're lying when they say "your privacy matters to us". No, it doesn't. If it mattered, then you would act like it.
  - SpicyLemonZest 6y ago
    This isn't the New York Times. I don't think it's reasonable to expect the local news for a mid-sized American city to prioritize implementation of the EU's data rules.
    - function_seven 6y ago
      Sure, but it's plenty of time to just remove tracking cookies altogether. Which would have been easier to implement than what they're doing now (geolocating visitors, serving custom messages depending on jurisdiction, etc.) I mean, if my privacy matters to them. I know the online news business is difficult to monetize. Only a handful of major news orgs can put paywalls up and charge subscribers directly. I get that. So, what they do instead is use 3rd party ad networks and analytics, and traffic in my personal data, while telling me that my privacy matters. That's why this is doublespeak. They're saying one thing (my privacy matters) while doing another (funding their operations in part on my personal data). Is it the only viable model for them? Maybe. That's not really relevant, though.

paulcole 6y ago

It's a GDPR compliant site. Europeans should be impressed that American sites were so quick to comply with their well thought out and reasonable regulations.

searchableguy 6y ago

Alternative: https://www.theverge.com/2020/7/31/21349920/twitter-hack-arrest-florida-teen-fbi-irs-secret-service https://www.theverge.com/2020/7/31/21349920/twitter-hack-arr...

bartread 6y ago

"Our European visitors are important to us." Yes, quite. I won't repeat the phrase that immediately came to mind when I read that, but I will say it ended with, "you News Channel 8!"