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Lots of people live in a condo or apartment building and there is no such distinction. IMO you can't be "overboard." I've been in self-quarantine since March a

by elif 6y ago

Lots of people live in a condo or apartment building and there is no such distinction. IMO you can't be "overboard." I've been in self-quarantine since March and have left my property exactly twice, over a month ago, when my dog needed surgery. Yesterday we tested positive.

gregorymichael 6y ago
I'm so sorry. That must be incredibly discouraging and scary. How do you think you caught it?
- elif 6y ago
  The same way the rest of the US will. A complete lack of leadership at the national level. Seriously, there is no individual level response to this. The hardest part is that I was in New Zealand for the previous 7 months and decided to leave when the US announced they were closing borders (and forgot to mention they would remain open for citizens)
  - Insanity 6y ago
    You would have been in 'good company' as a 'refugee' there: https://www.pcgamer.com/gabe-newell-has-been-a-covid-refugee-in-new-zealand-since-march/ https://www.pcgamer.com/gabe-newell-has-been-a-covid-refugee... Hope you get well soon!
- hcknwscommenter 6y ago
  Just speculating, but I think the idea that it is safer to have your groceries delivered (a necessity if you are not leaving property) rather than go to the grocery store yourself is just flat wrong. I know several (admittedly only three) people who have caught COVID but have not left their apartment and/or house since Jan.
  - elif 6y ago
    I am trying not to speculate too much how we got it but generally I agree. We used alcohol spray and bleach wipes on all our delivered groceries, but in hindsight it seems to me like the delivery drivers were the likely carrier. In most countries with successful quarantines, these people are regulated and tested, but for us it is kind of the opposite. These are people paid hourly and highly dependent upon a paycheck. It is an incentivized super-spreader paradigm if you think about it.
    - bigbob2 6y ago
      Doesn't it stand to reason that delivery drivers would be in the grocery store as well?
      - hcknwscommenter 6y ago
        Not sure what you are getting at here. I agree the delivery drivers are in the grocery store. They probably spend half their workday there and have to travel throughout the store many many times, each time navigating a different cohort of shoppers, and then come in contact with deliveree surfaces (doorbell, etc.) as well. The delivery driver has a dangerous job and is highly likely to get covid. When s/he does, so do all the deliverees.
    - adam 6y ago
      I'm not disputing your practices, but I was in the same boat as you, then recently saw this article and have since relaxed a bit on some of the cleaning protocol we've been following: https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/07/scourge-hygiene-theater/614599/ https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/07/scourge-hy...
      - copperx 6y ago
        The takeaway of that article is that cleaning surfaces to reduce the likelihood of contact transmission (which is close to 0), may detract from practices that reduce the likelihood of airborne transmission (which is close to 1.0 if you're near an infected person). That's a perfectly sensible approach if you're in charge of a school or a retail business. There's a cost vs benefit and lost opportunity calculation. In our personal lives, taking 1-3 minutes to wipe down all groceries isn't going to cause you to suddenly forget wearing a mask or staying home as much as possible, unless you have extremely bad executive functioning.
- darkerside 6y ago
  HVAC is a likely culprit
  - elif 6y ago
    Actually we live in a standalone house and have not turned the AC on all year. It is broken and we were just backpacking through southern hemisphere summer so we haven't bothered.
stickfigure 6y ago
There will always be statistical outliers. I'm sorry it was you and I hope that you are part of the majority of humans who experience mild symptoms.
- pezo1919 6y ago
  Its not an outliar. It's quite common.
  - sokoloff 6y ago
    Which is? To catch the disease while isolated in your home? Or get a positive test result after staying isolated at home? The latter seems like it would be far more common than the former.
- elif 6y ago
  That is an extremely poor and dangerous characterization of this pathology. I'll quote some people smarter than me. “In the beginning, our model for understanding this infection was to treat it like another respiratory virus like influenza,” said John Swartzberg, clinical professor emeritus of infectious diseases and vaccinology in the UC Berkeley-UCSF Joint Medical Program. “I think one of the most unfortunate and interesting things about this virus is that its interaction with us is actually far more complicated than that.” "This virus is unusual and it's hard not to take a step back and not be impressed by how many manifestations it has on the human body" author of https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0968-3 https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0968-3 The "majority" (87%) still experience symptoms months later https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2768351 https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2768351 including scar tissue on the heart and lungs, blood clots, up to 37% experience acute kidney injury.
  - darkerside 6y ago
    Please don't imply that 87% of cases suffer long term effects. This study is limited to COVID patients who experienced acute symptoms, a small subset of all COVID patients. This is not the flu, but if it sounds too scary to believe, it probably is when it comes to COVID.
swsieber 6y ago
In that case it's extremely likely that the test result was wrong, no?
CodeMage 6y ago
From your other comment, I see you're in the US. Do you mind if I ask which state?
- elif 6y ago
  Atlanta, GA
  - CodeMage 6y ago
    Thank you.
abfan1127 6y ago
I'd retest. you either have some of the worst luck ever, or you had a false positive test.
- dawnerd 6y ago
  Likely part of a grouped test - which absolutely should have been retested by the lab.
  - copperx 6y ago
    I don't understand how grouped testing makes any sense when such a large percentage of individual tests come out positive. I mean, if you group 10 samples from a test center, what's the probability of one of them being positive? Isn't it close to 1.0?
    - dawnerd 6y ago
      Depends on their group test size and what factors they consider when they decide to group or not. It's why they ask if you're a first responder for example (least they do around here).
- djsumdog 6y ago
  I see stories like this constantly: https://www.wsmv.com/news/mt-juliet-man-says-even-with-no-test-he-s-informed-he-is-covid-19/article_f8cf60e6-c886-11ea-8ae0-4ffb48dc9a46.html https://www.wsmv.com/news/mt-juliet-man-says-even-with-no-te... It's sometimes someone driving to a testing site and then leaving the line. If that's true and they're not rechecking your personal information at the swab, it's unsettling because then everyone's results are now off-by-one (or more). There are other cases where people have been told they have COVID after never even having been in line for a test. Not that they might have it via contact tracing, but that they tested positive from a test they never took (or got in line for). Not to mention there was the cast of a Goat and an Orange testing positive in Tanzania: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/africa/coronavirus-tanzania-test-kits-suspicion-goat-pawpaw-positive-a9501291.html https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/africa/coronavirus-... What is going on with these tests?
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AlgorithmicTime 6y ago
I'm outside with other people constantly and have had zero symptoms and a negative test two weeks ago.
grandmczeb 6y ago
What prompted the test - are you experiencing any symptoms? When you say we, I assume you mean a partner. Did they also leave the property? And what kind of test did you get?
jointpdf 6y ago
Is there any publicly-available data or studies on the behavior patterns of people who caught the virus? I’m very curious about what the relative likelihoods involved. e.g. what % of cases are people that don’t wear masks and brazenly party at bars, versus people who limit their activity to outdoor exercise and 1 or 2 errands a week.
Marsymars 6y ago
I mean, that anecdote doesn't make me think that staying at home is "not overboard", it makes me think that it's entirely pointless.

by elif 6y ago

gregorymichael 6y ago

I'm so sorry. That must be incredibly discouraging and scary. How do you think you caught it?

elif 6y ago
The same way the rest of the US will. A complete lack of leadership at the national level. Seriously, there is no individual level response to this. The hardest part is that I was in New Zealand for the previous 7 months and decided to leave when the US announced they were closing borders (and forgot to mention they would remain open for citizens)
- Insanity 6y ago
  You would have been in 'good company' as a 'refugee' there: https://www.pcgamer.com/gabe-newell-has-been-a-covid-refugee-in-new-zealand-since-march/ https://www.pcgamer.com/gabe-newell-has-been-a-covid-refugee... Hope you get well soon!
hcknwscommenter 6y ago
Just speculating, but I think the idea that it is safer to have your groceries delivered (a necessity if you are not leaving property) rather than go to the grocery store yourself is just flat wrong. I know several (admittedly only three) people who have caught COVID but have not left their apartment and/or house since Jan.
- elif 6y ago
  I am trying not to speculate too much how we got it but generally I agree. We used alcohol spray and bleach wipes on all our delivered groceries, but in hindsight it seems to me like the delivery drivers were the likely carrier. In most countries with successful quarantines, these people are regulated and tested, but for us it is kind of the opposite. These are people paid hourly and highly dependent upon a paycheck. It is an incentivized super-spreader paradigm if you think about it.
  - bigbob2 6y ago
    Doesn't it stand to reason that delivery drivers would be in the grocery store as well?
    - hcknwscommenter 6y ago
      Not sure what you are getting at here. I agree the delivery drivers are in the grocery store. They probably spend half their workday there and have to travel throughout the store many many times, each time navigating a different cohort of shoppers, and then come in contact with deliveree surfaces (doorbell, etc.) as well. The delivery driver has a dangerous job and is highly likely to get covid. When s/he does, so do all the deliverees.
  - adam 6y ago
    I'm not disputing your practices, but I was in the same boat as you, then recently saw this article and have since relaxed a bit on some of the cleaning protocol we've been following: https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/07/scourge-hygiene-theater/614599/ https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/07/scourge-hy...
    - copperx 6y ago
      The takeaway of that article is that cleaning surfaces to reduce the likelihood of contact transmission (which is close to 0), may detract from practices that reduce the likelihood of airborne transmission (which is close to 1.0 if you're near an infected person). That's a perfectly sensible approach if you're in charge of a school or a retail business. There's a cost vs benefit and lost opportunity calculation. In our personal lives, taking 1-3 minutes to wipe down all groceries isn't going to cause you to suddenly forget wearing a mask or staying home as much as possible, unless you have extremely bad executive functioning.
darkerside 6y ago
HVAC is a likely culprit
- elif 6y ago
  Actually we live in a standalone house and have not turned the AC on all year. It is broken and we were just backpacking through southern hemisphere summer so we haven't bothered.

stickfigure 6y ago

There will always be statistical outliers. I'm sorry it was you and I hope that you are part of the majority of humans who experience mild symptoms.

pezo1919 6y ago
Its not an outliar. It's quite common.
- sokoloff 6y ago
  Which is? To catch the disease while isolated in your home? Or get a positive test result after staying isolated at home? The latter seems like it would be far more common than the former.
elif 6y ago
That is an extremely poor and dangerous characterization of this pathology. I'll quote some people smarter than me. “In the beginning, our model for understanding this infection was to treat it like another respiratory virus like influenza,” said John Swartzberg, clinical professor emeritus of infectious diseases and vaccinology in the UC Berkeley-UCSF Joint Medical Program. “I think one of the most unfortunate and interesting things about this virus is that its interaction with us is actually far more complicated than that.” "This virus is unusual and it's hard not to take a step back and not be impressed by how many manifestations it has on the human body" author of https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0968-3 https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0968-3 The "majority" (87%) still experience symptoms months later https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2768351 https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2768351 including scar tissue on the heart and lungs, blood clots, up to 37% experience acute kidney injury.
- darkerside 6y ago
  Please don't imply that 87% of cases suffer long term effects. This study is limited to COVID patients who experienced acute symptoms, a small subset of all COVID patients. This is not the flu, but if it sounds too scary to believe, it probably is when it comes to COVID.

swsieber 6y ago

In that case it's extremely likely that the test result was wrong, no?

CodeMage 6y ago

From your other comment, I see you're in the US. Do you mind if I ask which state?

elif 6y ago
Atlanta, GA
- CodeMage 6y ago
  Thank you.

abfan1127 6y ago

I'd retest. you either have some of the worst luck ever, or you had a false positive test.

dawnerd 6y ago
Likely part of a grouped test - which absolutely should have been retested by the lab.
- copperx 6y ago
  I don't understand how grouped testing makes any sense when such a large percentage of individual tests come out positive. I mean, if you group 10 samples from a test center, what's the probability of one of them being positive? Isn't it close to 1.0?
  - dawnerd 6y ago
    Depends on their group test size and what factors they consider when they decide to group or not. It's why they ask if you're a first responder for example (least they do around here).
djsumdog 6y ago
I see stories like this constantly: https://www.wsmv.com/news/mt-juliet-man-says-even-with-no-test-he-s-informed-he-is-covid-19/article_f8cf60e6-c886-11ea-8ae0-4ffb48dc9a46.html https://www.wsmv.com/news/mt-juliet-man-says-even-with-no-te... It's sometimes someone driving to a testing site and then leaving the line. If that's true and they're not rechecking your personal information at the swab, it's unsettling because then everyone's results are now off-by-one (or more). There are other cases where people have been told they have COVID after never even having been in line for a test. Not that they might have it via contact tracing, but that they tested positive from a test they never took (or got in line for). Not to mention there was the cast of a Goat and an Orange testing positive in Tanzania: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/africa/coronavirus-tanzania-test-kits-suspicion-goat-pawpaw-positive-a9501291.html https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/africa/coronavirus-... What is going on with these tests?

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AlgorithmicTime 6y ago

I'm outside with other people constantly and have had zero symptoms and a negative test two weeks ago.

grandmczeb 6y ago

What prompted the test - are you experiencing any symptoms? When you say we, I assume you mean a partner. Did they also leave the property? And what kind of test did you get?

jointpdf 6y ago

Is there any publicly-available data or studies on the behavior patterns of people who caught the virus? I’m very curious about what the relative likelihoods involved. e.g. what % of cases are people that don’t wear masks and brazenly party at bars, versus people who limit their activity to outdoor exercise and 1 or 2 errands a week.

Marsymars 6y ago

I mean, that anecdote doesn't make me think that staying at home is "not overboard", it makes me think that it's entirely pointless.