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US universities announcing online Fall 2020
- Loughla 6y agoTwo things: a) There is no way this list is even slightly close to comprehensive. b) What is the purpose of this?
- georgeecollins 6y agoI have a child who is entering his senior high school year. This is very interesting to me in terms of thinking about which schools to apply to. I know this is not for 2021, but I think everyone realizes what happens in Fall of 2020 will have repercussions in Fall 2021. Does that make sense? I can elaborate. Also, I agree this is not close to comprehensive, but the best I have seen. If someone here can keep a more comprehensive status I promise you many parents would pay something for access to that status.
- perpetualpatzer 6y ago> Also, I agree this is not close to comprehensive, but the best I have seen. If someone here can keep a more comprehensive status I promise you many parents would pay something for access to that status. For those interested, two more exhaustive sources[0][1], one of which is linked in the footnotes of OP. [0] https://www.chronicle.com/article/Here-s-a-List-of-Colleges-/248626 https://www.chronicle.com/article/Here-s-a-List-of-Colleges-... [1] https://collegecrisis.shinyapps.io/dashboard/ https://collegecrisis.shinyapps.io/dashboard/
- georgeecollins 6y agoThank you!
- wdb 6y agoDo they give you tuition discount as foreign student when it's all online?
- yasoob 6y agoThe ones I know of (mine included) aren't giving any discount. They only waive the room and board but you have to pay everything else....
- newen 6y agoHopefully, they waive the gym fees lol.
- elliekelly 6y agoWhy don’t the students do a bit of collective bargaining? Reduced tuition or you all take the semester off.
- tyre 6y agobecause no student is going to pull out of Harvard over this at the end of the day, every single student will put their own interests over taking a stand here the universities have the leverage
- randomdata 6y agoIf the amount to be paid is agreeable for the services expected to rendered, why would you want to take a stand? If the amount to be paid is not agreeable for the services expected to be rendered, why would you want to utilize said services? There does not seem to be any reason for a group to take a stand. It is either worth it or it isn't. If it is, everyone is happy. If it isn't, there is no loss in not seeing the transaction take place.
- sushshshsh 6y agoAn in person education is maybe worth $30,000 a year, but should it not be worth $20,000 if the instruction delivered online? Hard to say. We would need to look at the level of profit the college is making from this new arrangement.
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- megiddo 6y agoUnless your four-year is paid for, community college for core curriculum is a better and better deal every year.
- dx87 6y agoIt depends a lot on the community college. My wife has taught at community colleges and 4 year universities, and she said that the students who transferred from community colleges were frequently very unprepared for a 4 year university. Like, they would struggle to write more than 1 page and have no idea what citations are.
- alpha_squared 6y agoAs someone who went to community college and is intimately familiar with transfer agreements with universities, this sounds like a problem with the curriculum agreement universities have with community colleges. It's something that gets reviewed annually and guarantees that certain courses transfer over as equivalent to specific university courses. If the expectations are mismatched on what was covered in those courses, then there wasn't a thorough enough assessment of equivalencies.
- Hongwei 6y agoI think the parent comment is implying that college diplomas are better at helping people get a job and earn a living. Writing 1+ page essays and MLA citation formatting is work that seems to only exist in academia. It wouldn't surprise me if community college educated people transferring to university programs needed a refresher on that stuff.
- HarryHirsch 6y agoWriting 1+ page essays and MLA citation formatting is work that seems to only exist in academia. Proper written communication and literature searching skills are demanded everywhere in the workplace. Doesn't everyone dread getting muddled, poorly formatted emails because you have to guess the meaning or write back and forth several times to find out what's going on? I don't get the pervasive hostility to education and academia in this forum. Granted, much of high school and regional college is piss-poor, but instead of writing off all of university as useless one should demand proper performance.
- reddog 6y agoThe average cost of tuition (not room, board, books, travel, living expenses) for private colleges is about $35K/year. At the more expensive private colleges it's twice that. Are people really going to pay that much for 15 hours of Zoom lectures a week? I doubt it. The primary reason parents are willing to pay that much is not for the education (with some exceptions) but for the credentials, the networking, and putting their kids into a cohort of successful, like-minded individuals from which they can choose an acceptable mate. And of course to get that 18 year old bundle of hormones and poor judgement out of the house but still in a relatively safe environment.
- ipnon 6y agoIn other words, they are buying elitism. Ivy League educations are not for everyone.
- cm2187 6y agoI don't think recruiters attach the same value to online degrees offered even by major universities.
- yladiz 6y agoEven if that's true, if everyone is going to be learning online now then this will be a moot point.
- dirtyid 6y agoMaybe class of 2024 is just going to be a lost generation if this keeps up. I know some recruiters keep these factors in mind for entry level.
- croutonwagon 6y agoCollege degrees are already oversaturated in the job market. Their value in terms of actual employability is basically what HS was 30 years ago. Short pd some HR bean counters and the universities themselves most in the private sector don’t put too much stock in them. A degree from the relatively small local college is about the same as big state. Ivy is it’s own thing for sure.
- emptyparadise 6y agoWhat a terribly dark time to be an international student in the United States.
- jb775 6y agoThere's worse things in life.
- thesagan 6y agoFallacy of relative privation. It's still a dark place.
- throwaway713 6y agoThat always reminds me of this: https://i.redd.it/wwje449jjge21.jpg https://i.redd.it/wwje449jjge21.jpg
- lazyjeff 6y agoSince this topic has been a bit click-baitey recently, I was expecting yet another busy page with ads and popups and stock photos of students. It was so refreshing to see just a list of universities with text.
- mjn 6y agoThanks! I started collecting the announcements as part of discussions we're having in my department about the fall semester, and thought I might as well stick the list up on my blog.
- mjfl 6y agoIn my opinion it would be crazy to pay $50k of tuition for a few zoom lectures per week, and I think a lot of colleges are aware of this. In response, many of them seem to be doing a "hybrid" approach, where undergrads are allowed to come on campus, but all instruction will be online (Harvard for example). This seems to defeat the purpose of not having in person classes in the first place. I think it shows how much of a pickle they are in.
- creaghpatr 6y agoSafer for the professors though.
- Avicebron 6y agoSafer in a health sense, but I fear once Academia realizes that lectures can be recorded and supplemented with some office hours for questions. The life of an academic will become tenuous..teaching in real time over Zoom is only a short order of magnitude above a well structured pre-recorded lecture series. At least in my experience.
- vkou 6y agoUniversities have figured this out a long time ago, and have been cutting all sorts of corners in instruction (Despite the growth in tuition.) The life of an academic is tenuous already, and a lot of instruction is done by poorly-paid, untenured sessionals. Tenured positions are in 2020, rare as hen's teeth.
- jb775 6y agoHow long until credentials get phished and all university material is dumped online for free. One of the rare opportunities where hacking could do good for humanity as a whole.
- vkou 6y agoYou can already get a world-class education for nearly-free, if you're willing to devote thousands of hours of your time into it. Very few people take advantage of it - because the credential is more important than the knowledge.
- jb775 6y agoI find it's sometimes hard to figure out a quality source of knowledge, and sometimes it's hard to figure out what specifically you need to learn sequentially. For example, when I was learning how to code years back, I literally had no idea what language I should start with. I learned from a top->down approach, but the benefits from a university is they lay it out so you get a bottom->up understanding.
- dhosek 6y agoIt's also the structure that a formal class affords that makes it more effective. This is part of the appeal of book clubs (yes, part of it is, for some people, the opportunity to hang out with people and drink wine and eat cheese): some externally imposed structure makes it easier to commit to learning something. Paying for an opportunity also tends to make people more likely to honor their commitment.
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- ladberg 6y ago"All university material" is not just in one place ready to be stolen. In most classes I took, all the material was already available for free online (on public sites created by the staff). There isn't really any "hidden" knowledge that you could gain by hacking them.
- gringoDan 6y agoUniversities are hurting for revenue and will be remote for the near future. A benefit to this: right now presents a unique opportunity to get a Masters or a post-bacc. You can take classes without needing to move/commute to campus. Furthermore, given a work from home environment and a more flexible schedule, many people will be able to make it work without needing to quit their full-time job. If I ran a struggling university right now I'd lean into this and still be open to applications for the fall semester. This could attract a lot of working professionals like me.
- dhosek 6y agoIt's interesting that while Pomona, Pitzer, Claremont McKenna and Scripps have all committed to online, Harvey Mudd College is still planning to be on-campus https://www.hmc.edu/coronavirus-information/2020/07/16/update-on-hmc-fall-2020-enrollment/ https://www.hmc.edu/coronavirus-information/2020/07/16/updat... They have 540 out of 812 students planning to live on campus. I somehow don't see this working out.
- mjn 6y agoThe Claremont McKenna announcement says that they don't think LA County is going to let them hold in-person classes, so they didn't really have a choice. Unless they're misreading hints from officials, seems like Harvey Mudd isn't going to have in-person classes either. Less clear about dorms; those might be allowed to open for students taking online courses (the model Harvard is using).