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Can't even get into some neighboring states! So much for the 'union'

slg 6y ago
Do you have a source on that? As far as I'm aware that is illegal. States can require quarantine periods for visitors, but I don't think they can outright ban travel from US citizens/nationals.
- wl 6y ago
  A 14-day quarantine upon return effectively bans many people from traveling.
  - happytoexplain 6y ago
    A reasonable argument, but unfortunately using exaggerated words as a rhetorical tactic. It's unreasonable to simply say "you can't get in" or "you're effectively banned from traveling". What you and the grandparent mean is that a two week quarantine makes it impractical or effectively impossible for some people to travel between the states in question. (Assuming this is what the grandparent was referring to, which we still don't know).
- votepaunchy 6y ago
  I'm not sure that is quite right either. It's not just visitors, anyone traveling to or from the marked region must quarantine. A local citizen returning home must be treated the same as a visitor traveling from another state.
  - slg 6y ago
    I was speaking specifically about the most stringent rules they can have for visitors, but you are exactly right that the rules apply to everyone and not exclusively visitors.
- kube-system 6y ago
  I don't think it is the case anywhere currently, but earlier on in the pandemic there was at least one place that put up checkpoints and turned away visitors. Example: https://www.obxtoday.com/coronavirus/updated-dare-county-restricts-visitor-access-to-outer-banks-clarifies-entry-procedure-for-non-resident-workers/ https://www.obxtoday.com/coronavirus/updated-dare-county-res...
  - slg 6y ago
    Just because a government did it doesn't mean it is legal. It seems like that county was quickly sued and had to change its policy.[1][2] I am guessing this restriction wouldn't hold up in court, but you would actually have to get them to court to force them to stop. And the bigger the entity and the more people impacted, the quicker they would end up in court. [1] - https://www.newsobserver.com/news/local/article241852551.html https://www.newsobserver.com/news/local/article241852551.htm... [2] - https://www.newsobserver.com/news/coronavirus/article244033667.html https://www.newsobserver.com/news/coronavirus/article2440336...
    - kube-system 6y ago
      Yeah for sure, I was just sharing the example. There's a lot of executive actions testing the bounds of the law currently.
gruez 6y ago
Source? According to https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/10/travel/state-travel-restrictions.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/10/travel/state-travel-restr..., it looks like there are quarantine orders, but nothing preventing you from getting in.
happytoexplain 6y ago
What are you referring to? That's a pretty wild thing to just throw out there, considering how unprecedented that would be.
smnrchrds 6y ago
If it makes you feel better, Atlantic provinces in Canada have also put substantial limitations on who can enter from the rest of Canada.
- BrendanD 6y ago
  And thank fuck for that. EDIT: Fuzzing or downvoting? Was it the profanity? I do thank fuck for the temporary reduction in incoming vectors during a pandemic.
harimau777 6y ago
I haven't heard of this being the case, but assuming for a moment that it is: This seems like the inevitable consequence of the rhetoric that I've seen on both sides of "if you don't like <what I believe is the "true" way for America to be run> then why don't you just implement your <fascist/capitalist> policies in your own <city/rural area> and leave the rest of us alone". If as a society we aren't going to negotiate to find policies at the national level that everyone can live with then the only way that people can live under policies that are tolerable for them is if states start acting like nations.
Supermancho 6y ago
I just traveled from WA to MN to IA to SD to WY and back. I got back 7/25/20. There were no stops or barriers.
phyzome 6y ago
You can get into them. You're just not allowed to wander around coughing on everyone until your quarantine period is up.

slg 6y ago

Do you have a source on that? As far as I'm aware that is illegal. States can require quarantine periods for visitors, but I don't think they can outright ban travel from US citizens/nationals.

wl 6y ago
A 14-day quarantine upon return effectively bans many people from traveling.
- happytoexplain 6y ago
  A reasonable argument, but unfortunately using exaggerated words as a rhetorical tactic. It's unreasonable to simply say "you can't get in" or "you're effectively banned from traveling". What you and the grandparent mean is that a two week quarantine makes it impractical or effectively impossible for some people to travel between the states in question. (Assuming this is what the grandparent was referring to, which we still don't know).
votepaunchy 6y ago
I'm not sure that is quite right either. It's not just visitors, anyone traveling to or from the marked region must quarantine. A local citizen returning home must be treated the same as a visitor traveling from another state.
- slg 6y ago
  I was speaking specifically about the most stringent rules they can have for visitors, but you are exactly right that the rules apply to everyone and not exclusively visitors.
kube-system 6y ago
I don't think it is the case anywhere currently, but earlier on in the pandemic there was at least one place that put up checkpoints and turned away visitors. Example: https://www.obxtoday.com/coronavirus/updated-dare-county-restricts-visitor-access-to-outer-banks-clarifies-entry-procedure-for-non-resident-workers/ https://www.obxtoday.com/coronavirus/updated-dare-county-res...
- slg 6y ago
  Just because a government did it doesn't mean it is legal. It seems like that county was quickly sued and had to change its policy.[1][2] I am guessing this restriction wouldn't hold up in court, but you would actually have to get them to court to force them to stop. And the bigger the entity and the more people impacted, the quicker they would end up in court. [1] - https://www.newsobserver.com/news/local/article241852551.html https://www.newsobserver.com/news/local/article241852551.htm... [2] - https://www.newsobserver.com/news/coronavirus/article244033667.html https://www.newsobserver.com/news/coronavirus/article2440336...
  - kube-system 6y ago
    Yeah for sure, I was just sharing the example. There's a lot of executive actions testing the bounds of the law currently.

gruez 6y ago

Source? According to https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/10/travel/state-travel-restrictions.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/10/travel/state-travel-restr..., it looks like there are quarantine orders, but nothing preventing you from getting in.

happytoexplain 6y ago

What are you referring to? That's a pretty wild thing to just throw out there, considering how unprecedented that would be.

smnrchrds 6y ago

If it makes you feel better, Atlantic provinces in Canada have also put substantial limitations on who can enter from the rest of Canada.

BrendanD 6y ago
And thank fuck for that. EDIT: Fuzzing or downvoting? Was it the profanity? I do thank fuck for the temporary reduction in incoming vectors during a pandemic.

harimau777 6y ago

I haven't heard of this being the case, but assuming for a moment that it is: This seems like the inevitable consequence of the rhetoric that I've seen on both sides of "if you don't like <what I believe is the "true" way for America to be run> then why don't you just implement your <fascist/capitalist> policies in your own <city/rural area> and leave the rest of us alone". If as a society we aren't going to negotiate to find policies at the national level that everyone can live with then the only way that people can live under policies that are tolerable for them is if states start acting like nations.

Supermancho 6y ago

I just traveled from WA to MN to IA to SD to WY and back. I got back 7/25/20. There were no stops or barriers.

phyzome 6y ago

You can get into them. You're just not allowed to wander around coughing on everyone until your quarantine period is up.