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Not really related to the article per se but I always find it interesting how one may become tempted to say "this alternative to a thing I already know makes so
by zapzupnz 6y ago
Not really related to the article per se but I always find it interesting how one may become tempted to say "this alternative to a thing I already know makes so much sense, why don't we always use it?"
I felt the same way when encountering Chinese numbers via Japanese. If 二 is two, 十 is ten, 四 is four, and twenty-four is 二十四, that's so clear! Two tens and four!
I quickly decided that this number system, though something I'd obviously need to learn and become acquainted with if my Japanese learning were ever to progress, wasn't necessarily as easy as I initially imagined. Yes, there are no places, but numbers in this system are grouped at different boundaries — not every thousand but every ten-thousand.
So 六十七億八千三百一万五千四百二十一 breaks up as sixty-seven hundred-thousands eight-thousand-three-hundred-and-one ten-thousands five-thousand-four-hundred and two-tens-and-one — and obviously, that's not quite how we would represent six-(billion/thousand-million) seven-hundred-and-eighty-three-million fifteen-thousand-four-hundred-and-twenty-one, or rather 6,783,015,421.
I post this not to discuss the positives or negatives on the Chinese number system compared to the Arabic one or vice-versa. Rather, just how one's imagination can be so easily captured by the apparent simplicity of an alternative to that with which one is familiar, almost to the point of wanting to adopt it altogether. The realisation of where things get tricky for oneself, often not coming until quite a bit later, sometimes doesn't come until later.
For myself, I tried using roman numerals for my own math for a long time but stopped when I found division too brain-breaking!
- earthboundkid 6y agoLiving in Japan, I became accustomed to using numbers for up to around 10,000 yen ($100USD) due to interactions at the stores and around town, but when I would hear the price of a car (1,000,000+ yen or 100 myriad yen) or a house, it would just confuse me and not register at all. It’s all just based on your personal experience, I think.
- pjmlp 6y agoI have the same experience with German reversed way of speaking numerals, yet I speak the language fluently, including a good understanding of Swiss German as well. But reversing back the numbers into my Portuguese brain, just doesn't work after a certain size.
- loxs 6y agoThere is (for me at least) something very deep (in the brain) regarding numerals and basic math. I am quite proficient in English, but always do arithmetic in my native Bulgarian and then have to translate the result (unlike other speech, which flows freely). And not for the lack of trying. And that is even though Bulgarian numerals do translate 1:1 to English.
- spiralx 6y agoI read a fascinating article once I've never been able to find again that said the brain actually has internal biological representations of zero and one along with a rudimentary representation of two, but nothing above that.
- madcaptenor 6y agoSimilarly, Indians express large numbers in terms of lakh (10^5) or crore (10^7) which is confusing to people using the thousands-based system.