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I found this interesting: >> The CCRB receives thousands of complaints every year, but it is only able to substantiate a tiny fraction of them. In 2018, the ag

I found this interesting: >> The CCRB receives thousands of complaints every year, but it is only able to substantiate a tiny fraction of them. In 2018, the agency examined about 3,000 allegations of misuse of force. It substantiated 73. >> Investigators are often not able to reach conclusions on cases, in significant part because they must rely on the NYPD to hand over evidence, such as footage from body-worn cameras. Often, the department doesn’t do so, despite a legal duty to cooperate with CCRB investigations.

SpicyLemonZest 6y ago
I wish they'd give a better indication of what "in significant part" means. Is the department failing to hand over footage in 5% of cases or 50% of cases?
- adamsea 6y ago
  FWIWI think it’s reasonable to infer a number greater than 10% (I’d be greater than 30% but want to be conservative) based on how the NYPD has behaved over time when it comes to its own accountability under the law.
  - ryanwatkins 6y ago
    Its nearly 75% depending on how you count. See May 2020 report: https://www1.nyc.gov/assets/ccrb/downloads/pdf/policy_pdf/monthly_stats/2020/20200610_monthlystats.pdf https://www1.nyc.gov/assets/ccrb/downloads/pdf/policy_pdf/mo... Of the requests made, about 26% are resolved in 30 days or less. 46% requests still outstanding after 90 days. So yes, its pretty clear NYPD delays or doesnt respond to requests for body camera footage.
oh_sigh 6y ago
Why doesn't the ccrb issue foia requests to get the data, or sue the police department?
- pantaloony 6y ago
  I'd imagine the (apparent) need to process, what, 12ish of these per weekday has something to do with it. How many can you manage in the "pipeline" at that rate? What's their staffing like? I bet they're staffed as if the police would at least kinda cooperate, so if they don't then there aren't enough personnel to follow up on any but the most clear-cut and serious cases with a bunch of public evidence already available so they know it might go somewhere if they put in the hours.
  - jjk166 6y ago
    Surely if someone is violating a rule 12 times a day you shouldn't need to make separate filings for each instance, right? I would hope something like "Hey we are still waiting on 1178 out of 1195 requests from this quarter" would get a judge's attention.
black_puppydog 6y ago
Interesting... shouldn't a failure to uphold the law disqualify anyone from working for the NYPD? Seems like whoever makes these calls should be personally held to account for that, since they're clearly not doing so?

SpicyLemonZest 6y ago

I wish they'd give a better indication of what "in significant part" means. Is the department failing to hand over footage in 5% of cases or 50% of cases?

adamsea 6y ago
FWIWI think it’s reasonable to infer a number greater than 10% (I’d be greater than 30% but want to be conservative) based on how the NYPD has behaved over time when it comes to its own accountability under the law.
- ryanwatkins 6y ago
  Its nearly 75% depending on how you count. See May 2020 report: https://www1.nyc.gov/assets/ccrb/downloads/pdf/policy_pdf/monthly_stats/2020/20200610_monthlystats.pdf https://www1.nyc.gov/assets/ccrb/downloads/pdf/policy_pdf/mo... Of the requests made, about 26% are resolved in 30 days or less. 46% requests still outstanding after 90 days. So yes, its pretty clear NYPD delays or doesnt respond to requests for body camera footage.

oh_sigh 6y ago

Why doesn't the ccrb issue foia requests to get the data, or sue the police department?

pantaloony 6y ago
I'd imagine the (apparent) need to process, what, 12ish of these per weekday has something to do with it. How many can you manage in the "pipeline" at that rate? What's their staffing like? I bet they're staffed as if the police would at least kinda cooperate, so if they don't then there aren't enough personnel to follow up on any but the most clear-cut and serious cases with a bunch of public evidence already available so they know it might go somewhere if they put in the hours.
- jjk166 6y ago
  Surely if someone is violating a rule 12 times a day you shouldn't need to make separate filings for each instance, right? I would hope something like "Hey we are still waiting on 1178 out of 1195 requests from this quarter" would get a judge's attention.

black_puppydog 6y ago

Interesting... shouldn't a failure to uphold the law disqualify anyone from working for the NYPD? Seems like whoever makes these calls should be personally held to account for that, since they're clearly not doing so?