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Ding ding ding! Yes. We all are. Christians and Jews. Everyone is born with original sin from being born from Adam and Eve. Many or most never question this co

Ding ding ding! Yes. We all are. Christians and Jews. Everyone is born with original sin from being born from Adam and Eve. Many or most never question this concupiscence. In my experience, folks who have been actively working on heresy and inquisitions for years if not decades are the first to admit that they too carry rebellious, largely hereditary, inclinations towards sin. A lot of people don't seem to grok original sin.

haecceity 6y ago
I think he means https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Implicit_stereotype https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Implicit_stereotype
- disgruntledphd2 6y ago
  Which, to be fair, is kinda congruent with original sin.
  - mxmilkb 6y ago
    I don't think it is, but like you I'll leave the analysis to the reader
    - mcv 6y ago
      My analysis as a reader is that there might be something to it. On the one hand, the concept of original sin sounds deeply unfair, but then again, when you look at society, it's kinda hard to deny that most people really are drawn to all sorts of prejudice, selfishness, etc, and it takes real effort to recognise that, admit it, and work to improve. A lot of people feel like they don't need to do that because their arrogance tells them they're already doing everything right. I don't think that's ever the case.
      - skinkestek 6y ago
        > On the one hand, the concept of original sin sounds deeply unfair, but then again, when you look at society, it's kinda hard to deny that most people really are drawn to all sorts of prejudice, selfishness, etc, and it takes real effort to recognise that, admit it, and work to improve. As a christian I feel this is a major thing: the realization that you can be perfectly innocent in that you: - didn't do anything that any law can punish you for - wasn't aware of doing anything wrong as you were doing it yet you are far from perfect and when you minutes/days/years later you realize despite your best intentions you still bragged/discriminated/were unfair/went too far/didn't go far enough/etc and you'll be sorry and wish you could do better. To keep this interesting to everyone in this audience I think I'll avoid going further into the topic unless anyone asks but for anyone particularly interested I'll say that I think this is what Paul grapples with in in Romans 7.
        mcv 6y ago
        Feel free to expand. It's interesting to me, and I'm not sure anyone else is still reading this at this point.
        skinkestek 6y ago
        Hi again, this is a really late answer, but I tried to look for a good explanation and I think this article covers a lot: https://activechristianity.org/who-will-deliver-me-from-this-body-of-death-2 https://activechristianity.org/who-will-deliver-me-from-this... I started by reading the top but it actually covers a lot of the topics in this thread from a christian perspective.

haecceity 6y ago

I think he means https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Implicit_stereotype https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Implicit_stereotype

disgruntledphd2 6y ago
Which, to be fair, is kinda congruent with original sin.
- mxmilkb 6y ago
  I don't think it is, but like you I'll leave the analysis to the reader
  - mcv 6y ago
    My analysis as a reader is that there might be something to it. On the one hand, the concept of original sin sounds deeply unfair, but then again, when you look at society, it's kinda hard to deny that most people really are drawn to all sorts of prejudice, selfishness, etc, and it takes real effort to recognise that, admit it, and work to improve. A lot of people feel like they don't need to do that because their arrogance tells them they're already doing everything right. I don't think that's ever the case.
    - skinkestek 6y ago
      > On the one hand, the concept of original sin sounds deeply unfair, but then again, when you look at society, it's kinda hard to deny that most people really are drawn to all sorts of prejudice, selfishness, etc, and it takes real effort to recognise that, admit it, and work to improve. As a christian I feel this is a major thing: the realization that you can be perfectly innocent in that you: - didn't do anything that any law can punish you for - wasn't aware of doing anything wrong as you were doing it yet you are far from perfect and when you minutes/days/years later you realize despite your best intentions you still bragged/discriminated/were unfair/went too far/didn't go far enough/etc and you'll be sorry and wish you could do better. To keep this interesting to everyone in this audience I think I'll avoid going further into the topic unless anyone asks but for anyone particularly interested I'll say that I think this is what Paul grapples with in in Romans 7.
      - mcv 6y ago
        Feel free to expand. It's interesting to me, and I'm not sure anyone else is still reading this at this point.
        skinkestek 6y ago
        Hi again, this is a really late answer, but I tried to look for a good explanation and I think this article covers a lot: https://activechristianity.org/who-will-deliver-me-from-this-body-of-death-2 https://activechristianity.org/who-will-deliver-me-from-this... I started by reading the top but it actually covers a lot of the topics in this thread from a christian perspective.