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Well the distinction usually depends on the observer. In Israel we have a palamentary system as opposed to a presidential one. PM netanyahu, which is about to

by mola 6y ago

Well the distinction usually depends on the observer. In Israel we have a palamentary system as opposed to a presidential one. PM netanyahu, which is about to be under criminal trial, is trying to pass a law where he will have basically the authority to make any decree without the authorization of the parliament. Making him the defacto.president, minus checks and balances. Naturally large scale protests are taking place. Israel protests are usually very tame, no looting and practically no violence,atleast when to what you see in French or the US. The most violent things protesters did was sitting on the road (which was blocked by police) in front of the PM residence. This did not stop media controlled by Netanyahu to pump the notion that these protesters are all rioters and anarchists. While a lot of them are yound middle class educated family people, Led by 60-70 yo without any political aspiration. So when the person being protested against calls the protesters rioters, I tend to take it with a grain of salt.

orwin 6y ago
> practically no violence,atleast when to what you see in French or the US. To be frank, i don't know about the US, but violence in French protest used to be well-contained and limited to a few buildings (often a mcdonald, a bank or two and sometime a Tesla, nothing an assurance wouldn't cover, and free time for a dozen employee during the repairs) until recently when lawkeeping doctrine were changed to avoid making our government looking like they lost. Violence from protesters used to be limited to black blocks, and black blocks are organized and carefull, attached to symbols. You could predict which batiment could be targeted ahaed of time, take preventive mesure for those batiments. They never put fire in commercial building if there were occupied appartement nearby. Then, because of a macdonald destruction that looked bad on a camera (despite looking really, really good for anybody aware of what lawkeeping really is about: 3 minor injuries, 90 BB arrested for a quarter of a million of property damage), police were asked to start protecting batiment. That made mobile brigade and CRS immobile and unable to follow and limit property destruction, so a minister door was fractured. Easy solution, just had more police. even if the ones we add are not trained in lawkeeping at all and are used to anti-drugs operation and are a bit trigger-happy. And also, change the doctrine, instead of letting black blocks destroying property to scare protesters off and nest BB more easely, meet them earlier. If "normals" protester don't want to be hurt, they shouldn't be near these black blocks! We are two deaths, three hands, around twenty eyes, battered poicemen and a dropping confidence in the police after those "clever" decisions. Violence call for violence, and now the protester are really violent. Their rights.
- mola 6y ago
  I'm sorry if I came off critical of French or US protesters. I only meant that we are not there yet, I fear that the abuse inflicted by the current netanyahu regime might lead to escalation. I'm agree full heartedly that violence calls for violence. I'm also pretty sure that the outcome the Netanyahu regime hopes for is violent protests. This way he can instill fear in the more well off people and have the mandate to use more extreme violence against protesters until he breaks them or no one but the actual anarchists are willing to continue. So yes, violence calls for violence. But, we must break the cycle, I think nonviolent resistant is the only way to go. Sadly, a lot of the media in Israel is either controlled by netanyahu via a web of corrupt interests or out right fear. Now it's mainly commercial fear, but he has been targeting and enflaming against top tier journalists that won't back down. Anyway, they don't show the peacful side of the protest.
  - mola 6y ago
    The police minister conversation with the chief of police was just leaked. In it he demands more violence against protesters, and his argument his, that it's not fair the police won't violently suppress these protests with the same level of violence they use against minorities. :Facepalm:

by mola 6y ago

orwin 6y ago

> practically no violence,atleast when to what you see in French or the US. To be frank, i don't know about the US, but violence in French protest used to be well-contained and limited to a few buildings (often a mcdonald, a bank or two and sometime a Tesla, nothing an assurance wouldn't cover, and free time for a dozen employee during the repairs) until recently when lawkeeping doctrine were changed to avoid making our government looking like they lost. Violence from protesters used to be limited to black blocks, and black blocks are organized and carefull, attached to symbols. You could predict which batiment could be targeted ahaed of time, take preventive mesure for those batiments. They never put fire in commercial building if there were occupied appartement nearby. Then, because of a macdonald destruction that looked bad on a camera (despite looking really, really good for anybody aware of what lawkeeping really is about: 3 minor injuries, 90 BB arrested for a quarter of a million of property damage), police were asked to start protecting batiment. That made mobile brigade and CRS immobile and unable to follow and limit property destruction, so a minister door was fractured. Easy solution, just had more police. even if the ones we add are not trained in lawkeeping at all and are used to anti-drugs operation and are a bit trigger-happy. And also, change the doctrine, instead of letting black blocks destroying property to scare protesters off and nest BB more easely, meet them earlier. If "normals" protester don't want to be hurt, they shouldn't be near these black blocks! We are two deaths, three hands, around twenty eyes, battered poicemen and a dropping confidence in the police after those "clever" decisions. Violence call for violence, and now the protester are really violent. Their rights.

mola 6y ago
I'm sorry if I came off critical of French or US protesters. I only meant that we are not there yet, I fear that the abuse inflicted by the current netanyahu regime might lead to escalation. I'm agree full heartedly that violence calls for violence. I'm also pretty sure that the outcome the Netanyahu regime hopes for is violent protests. This way he can instill fear in the more well off people and have the mandate to use more extreme violence against protesters until he breaks them or no one but the actual anarchists are willing to continue. So yes, violence calls for violence. But, we must break the cycle, I think nonviolent resistant is the only way to go. Sadly, a lot of the media in Israel is either controlled by netanyahu via a web of corrupt interests or out right fear. Now it's mainly commercial fear, but he has been targeting and enflaming against top tier journalists that won't back down. Anyway, they don't show the peacful side of the protest.
- mola 6y ago
  The police minister conversation with the chief of police was just leaked. In it he demands more violence against protesters, and his argument his, that it's not fair the police won't violently suppress these protests with the same level of violence they use against minorities. :Facepalm: